Trump says he bombed Iran

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Trump hands the USA one of its most humiliating defeats. The entire world is laughing at Trump.

Yet I still some of you still blindly cheer.  Im sure you would eat shit out his diaper if he told you.

I just feel better having finally gleaned the objective or mutual benefit somewhere. 

I dont think we ever intended to really win. 

I dont even think the integration of Irans economy and infrastructure matters. Or their nuclear weapons. 

Everyone important just got 3 months to make an absurd amount of money...

Windfalls for Global Oil Producers: The initial military action and the resulting naval blockade of the Strait of Hormuz drastically spiked global energy prices. This price shock generated significant revenue for major oil-producing nations and U.S. shale companies.

Humiliating defeat, or THE GREAT IMPULSIVE GLOBAL OIL SHOCK GRIFT!?

When Trump and global Oil make so goddamn much they dont care how the USA looks for it.  

Israel more like smoke and mirrors, because everything we do is oil under Trump..
 

Major net-exporting countries—particularly in the Persian Gulf like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, and the UAE—profit significantly from geopolitical oil price shocks. Despite export disruptions or blocked chokepoints, the massive price premiums per barrel generate windfall revenues that outweigh the volume drop, heavily boosting government budgets and export earnings.

Maybe the objective has been fulfilled..

Advisor: "Sir, you're stringing this along too much. No one believes you." 

Trump: "Yeah, but the crowned prince of Saudi Arabia needs money to build an actual crescent moon to suspend in the sky above Riyadh, so they would like a little more profit first. Have you seen what ExxonMobil is making?" 

So screw the tail wagging globalism for Iran or Abraham Accords, the real win was for the oil industry in all the current and potential Accord counties.  The peace part comes after the capital windfall and everyone pretending this wasn't a NET gain..

And now Iran can sell all their oil and drive the price down, making less then all regional counterparts did during the blockade. 

Then after this, we move on to Nigerian oil justified by the 12 Isis christian killing provinces in the North, and everyone can make more money of Trump's wars again.

[CriticalStinker]

Really, does that cover the technical metallurgy and shielding of the electronics? That is very important you know.

Again, this technology has been around for over 80 years. They’ve had a nuclear program for more than half of that thanks to the research reactor provided by the US.

Nuclear technology isn’t some super secret. There are absolutely better versions than others or delivery methods. But Pakistan has had nukes for decades and they’re not as advanced as Iran. North Korea has nukes and they’re incredibly poor, a newish country and have very few friends.

[chr0naut]

dont let your hatred of Trump cloud your judgement. That 300$ billion is not free money, and nowhere does it say as such. In fact, it clearly says the word financing. Financing means loans , as in business transactions. As in just like Germany and Japan repaid their loans over the course of decades, they paid with interest  . Not only that, if this actually goes through how I wish it, and not how I expect it to, Americans will be able to invest in the Iranian market, which I presume the architecture will be worked out in that 60 day window.

Money comes from somewhere. In this instance, from the USA. Money also goes somewhere, in this instance Iran.

Whether it might have returns in the future, is irrelevant right now. What is happening right now is that money collected from US tax payers is being diverted to Iran, and it isn't because Iran represents a good return on interest. There are countries that are far better suited in that regard, who will not be receiving any special investment.

Obama's plan required 1/40th of the 'investment' to achieve exactly the same goals (denuclearization and free trade).

Don't make excuses for Trumb - he's massively screwed the US, again.

Follow the money, and not the targeted emotional trigger sound bytes. Iran has its own stock exchanges, like many developed nations. The way this MOU is written it seems they want to fully normalize Iran back into the world financial system. That is fucking money bonanza for all parties.

Before and during Trumb's stupid war, Iranian businesses and exchanges never stopped trading internationally. They aren't 'coming back' from anywhere. It's still business as usual.

Perhaps the conflict might have changed the mix of trading towards economies that are not aligned with the USA and Israel, but they are now less likely to participate in trades with those two afterwards.

Not only that, I am quite satisfied how fucked up Israel got. There was no better justice than watching Israeli cities finally catch the same kind of heat they had been inflicting on multiple entire societies for generations now. Plus, these Hezbollah videos constantly smacking the shit out of Israeli armor, the scores of anti-air batteries just being buzzed and then smoked by drones with impunity in Lebanon, all of this Israel deserved as accountability for its evil deeds. I still fully expect them to try and false flag murder the biggest Homosexual gathering in Middle East history on July 4 weekend to try and blame on Iran, but lets hope not.

I don't think many missiles got through Israel's 'golden dome'. They are using the Hamas attacks as justification for ongoing military strikes against those other than the Hamas criminals. They have bombed and shelled Gaza into rubble, killed tens of thousands of innocents in collateral, but I'm fairly sure that some of the Hamas criminals are still at large. They are pushing into Syria and Lebanon and are even extending into Iran and, at this stage, it is totally a power grab.

They had legitimacy in prosecuting the Hamas criminals, but this?

Iran, Israel and the USA consist of millions of individual people. People who are not to blame for the actions of the few who are in power, but the innocents always cop most of the retribution. It is unfair, unjust and a little bit stupid to group so many as if they had one heart and one mind in these attacks and counterattacks.

Mind you, what kind of interest over 20-60 years does a 300$ billion dollar financing agreement generate? Is that more than the zero dollar gifting pallets of cash generated?? No, best not to listen to that little bitch Obama, who was nothing but a servant to European interests and China.

Obama served only the USA as their President. He was aware that the USA is one of many countries in the world and he made deals and agreements that he believed were in the interests of his constituents. He definitely did a better job than Trumb has been doing, and with far less pointless internal conflict.

But Obama was a politician and murdered people by drone almost as much as Trumb. Not a good person, on the whole.

This is actually a very  good deal.

For Iran.

And they will definitely spend the money to shore-up their national defenses as well as supporting those who have aligned ideologic goals - which, at best, offer no advantages to the USA and its allies.

I would like to know how people characterize interest payments from a financing fund to multiple parties including the US as a bad thing

Generally, financiers provide business loans for things which have a definite return. Like, say they might loan against a manufacturing business to increase production capability.

The 'loan' to Iran is a knee-jerk reaction to try and get them to open the Straights of Hormuz and to not pursue atomic weapons. Neither of which has any fiscal return on investment.

, unless but Trump is the guiding principal in play here.

Some might say that, but it still isn't a deal with any real advantage to the USA, even if you squint your eyes and tilt your head sideways.

The US navy is still saturated in the Caribbean.

By what right are the US Navy there?

It's not like they are defending national waters, or are compliant with the laws of the Caribbean nations that they are infringing, or International laws, or even the laws of the USA.

And, did you know that they chased Venezuelan oil tankers into international waters and took the ships and their cargo? That is piracy on the high seas under ANY laws.

The USA are the baddies.

, not far from all those offshore Dutch and other European island tax havens. 

The mega rich in the USA pay less income tax than the average citizen, who is usually struggling to make ends meet. The USA itself is a tax haven, for those who can afford 'creative' accountants.

The one thing people have not been paying attention to, is the killing of the money laundering markets where European banksters wash the evil drug money and sanctioned entities and terrorist financing of the world's bad guys, as well as the market manipulation itself as their weapons of choice especially as it pertained to American politics.

I thought the USA (under a Republican POTUS, no less) famously have funded drugs, terrorism and really dodgy regimes:

The Iran-Contra Affair

The US government continues to fund the CIA, who still fund terrorism and drugs internationally. Perhaps if Trumb was serious about eliminating the US drug problem, he would have organized drone strikes against specific buildings in Washington DC. Especially since his actions murdering people in other countries that he alleges were involved with drug smuggling, has not lessened the drug problem at home.

London and Belgium are consistently losing their manipulation abilities as American power begins to dominate their former domains and continues to purge out their political assets in North and South America.

The power of London and Belgium were in decline well before Trumb was born. 

And American power derived in part from alliances with other aligned allied nations. Trump has broken those alliances.

America under Trump is isolated and vulnerable, but no-one will bother to attack, because the USA, in its isolation, is tearing itself apart.

This shit is actually ideal right now, this Iran wrap up assuming it is not just a ploy that  Israel is playing along with to clear the mines and send in the assault groups for Kharg Island. Of course, they could always time the mine removal with the false flag homosexual murder plot on July 4, which would give Trump the grand public visible excuse to rain hell and take the island. I hate thinkin like this evil, but this is how evil the policy makers of Israel think so I have to get in there, and put it out into the ether as a hedge to keep them at bay. One cannot execute a false flag with plausible deniability that was predictably and fully described months before it ever gets under way. 

Israel clearly, own Trumb.

I myself am researching companies that will benefit from reconstruction and infrastructure development for possible investment. I am sure this kind of normalization may still be years away, but if what appears in front of us manages to gain steam, everyone can prosper.

You know, a few months ago, the situation was fully 'normalized'.

Trumb just screwed it all up. He breaks things, without reason or purpose. He is in the process of breaking America. Stuff that has worked for decades to centuries, is all being trashed. You no longer have a Department of Education. Your Department of Defense is now called the Department of War (you are undefended but are actively engaging in, and initiating, multiple wars). Your DOGE cost more than it saved. There is an affordability crisis that Trumb won't even admit to, or take steps to resolve. He has twice triggered government shutdowns. Just the hint of his tariffs so much scared investors that the markets lost trillions (and hint, with all the other ongoing strife, you will never get that money back. It's gone now).

Wake up!

[DBCowboy]

So I suppose, after all of this, that the "Americans" here are going to vote for democrats, who want to raise taxes, open borders, and decriminalize crime while pandering to the EU and any foreign nation (except Israel).

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[govshill2]

Money comes from somewhere. In this instance, from the USA. Money also goes somewhere, in this instance Iran.

Whether it might have returns in the future, is irrelevant right now. What is happening right now is that money collected from US tax payers is being diverted to Iran, and it isn't because Iran represents a good return on interest. There are countries that are far better suited in that regard, who will not be receiving any special investment.

Obama's plan required 1/40th of the 'investment' to achieve exactly the same goals (denuclearization and free trade).

Don't make excuses for Trumb - he's massively screwed the US, again.


Before and during Trumb's stupid war, Iranian businesses and exchanges never stopped trading internationally. They aren't 'coming back' from anywhere. It's still business as usual.

Perhaps the conflict might have changed the mix of trading towards economies that are not aligned with the USA and Israel, but they are now less likely to participate in trades with those two afterwards.


I don't think many missiles got through Israel's 'golden dome'. They are using the Hamas attacks as justification for ongoing military strikes against those other than the Hamas criminals. They have bombed and shelled Gaza into rubble, killed tens of thousands of innocents in collateral, but I'm fairly sure that some of the Hamas criminals are still at large. They are pushing into Syria and Lebanon and are even extending into Iran and, at this stage, it is totally a power grab.

They had legitimacy in prosecuting the Hamas criminals, but this?

Iran, Israel and the USA consist of millions of individual people. People who are not to blame for the actions of the few who are in power, but the innocents always cop most of the retribution. It is unfair, unjust and a little bit stupid to group so many as if they had one heart and one mind in these attacks and counterattacks.


Obama served only the USA as their President. He was aware that the USA is one of many countries in the world and he made deals and agreements that he believed were in the interests of his constituents. He definitely did a better job than Trumb has been doing, and with far less pointless internal conflict.

But Obama was a politician and murdered people by drone almost as much as Trumb. Not a good person, on the whole.


For Iran.

And they will definitely spend the money to shore-up their national defenses as well as supporting those who have aligned ideologic goals - which, at best, offer no advantages to the USA and its allies.


Generally, financiers provide business loans for things which have a definite return. Like, say they might loan against a manufacturing business to increase production capability.

The 'loan' to Iran is a knee-jerk reaction to try and get them to open the Straights of Hormuz and to not pursue atomic weapons. Neither of which has any fiscal return on investment.


Some might say that, but it still isn't a deal with any real advantage to the USA, even if you squint your eyes and tilt your head sideways.




By what right are the US Navy there?

It's not like they are defending national waters, or are compliant with the laws of the Caribbean nations that they are infringing, or International laws, or even the laws of the USA.

And, did you know that they chased Venezuelan oil tankers into international waters and took the ships and their cargo? That is piracy on the high seas under ANY laws.

The USA are the baddies.

[Video: https://youtu.be/h242eDB84zY]


The mega rich in the USA pay less income tax than the average citizen, who is usually struggling to make ends meet. The USA itself is a tax haven, for those who can afford 'creative' accountants.


I thought the USA (under a Republican POTUS, no less) famously have funded drugs, terrorism and really dodgy regimes:

The Iran-Contra Affair

The US government continues to fund the CIA, who still fund terrorism and drugs internationally. Perhaps if Trumb was serious about eliminating the US drug problem, he would have organized drone strikes against specific buildings in Washington DC. Especially since his actions murdering people in other countries that he alleges were involved with drug smuggling, has not lessened the drug problem at home.


The power of London and Belgium were in decline well before Trumb was born. 

And American power derived in part from alliances with other aligned allied nations. Trump has broken those alliances.

America under Trump is isolated and vulnerable, but no-one will bother to attack, because the USA, in its isolation, is tearing itself apart.


Israel clearly, own Trumb.


You know, a few months ago, the situation was fully 'normalized'.

Trumb just screwed it all up. He breaks things, without reason or purpose. He is in the process of breaking America. Stuff that has worked for decades to centuries, is all being trashed. You no longer have a Department of Education. Your Department of Defense is now called the Department of War (you are undefended but are actively engaging in, and initiating, multiple wars). Your DOGE cost more than it saved. There is an affordability crisis that Trumb won't even admit to, or take steps to resolve. He has twice triggered government shutdowns. Just the hint of his tariffs so much scared investors that the markets lost trillions (and hint, with all the other ongoing strife, you will never get that money back. It's gone now).

Wake up!

footnote: The [now famous] $300 Billion is not coming from any U.S. Taxpayers and isn't a Trump idea   

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[CriticalStinker]

So I suppose, after all of this, that the "Americans" here are going to vote for democrats, who want to raise taxes, open borders, and decriminalize crime while pandering to the EU and any foreign nation (except Israel).

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Republicans have increased taxes a lot through inflation. Then they throw a bone of $500 bucks to most people while their cost of living goes up thousands a year.

Then they throw aid and trillions into the Middle East who does absolutely nothing for us.

​​​​​​​That said the democrats are just as bad and vote for most of that too.

[DBCowboy]

Republicans have increased taxes a lot through inflation. Then they throw a bone of $500 bucks to most people while their cost of living goes up thousands a year.

Then they throw aid and trillions into the Middle East who does absolutely nothing for us.

That said the democrats are just as bad and vote for most of that too.

Well, with democrats, you get socialism now too for no extra charge.

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[govshill2]

Well, with democrats, you get socialism now too for no extra charge.

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But they tell you it's "Democratic" Socialism!!
Complete with all necessary authoritarianism to achieve "equality" through forced compliance!

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[CriticalStinker]

Well, with democrats, you get socialism now too for no extra charge.

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I agree that they lean into a welfare state hard for people who will never contribute.

But the right also does massive corporate bailouts that competes in that arena, and now buying ten percent of some companies. State owning the means of production and all.

[DBCowboy]

I agree that they lean into a welfare state hard for people who will never contribute.

But the right also does massive corporate bailouts that competes in that arena, and now buying ten percent of some companies. State owning the means of production and all.

Ummmmmm, like Obamacare?

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