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(06-01-2026, 07:27 PM)DBCowboy Wrote: Obviously.
But maybe even you can gather enough grey matter to see the importance of Israel surviving and thriving as a nation-state.
Because American Christian zionists believe they'll burn in eternal Hellfire if we don't help Israel survive and thrive?
You really have to hand it to the forefathers for setting a barrier between church and state
When government gets overrun with religious fanatics and zealots, all they want do is start wars and smite their enemies
Go figure
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(06-01-2026, 07:38 PM)cherokeetroy Wrote: Because American Christian zionists believe they'll burn in eternal Hellfire if we don't help Israel survive and thrive?
You really have to hand it to the forefathers for setting a barrier between church and state
When government gets overrun with religious fanatics and zealots, all they want do is start wars and smite their enemies
Go figure
Do you want the state of Israel to exist?
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(06-01-2026, 07:38 PM)CriticalStinker Wrote: Your words, not mine. I noted that the whole region has taken us for a ride, not just Israel.
My position is we have more debt than the nation makes in a year, maybe it's time that we get out of other peoples affairs. Plenty on the right have no problem cheering on talking about taking Greenland from Denmark, yet they lost more troops per capita in Afghanistan than we even did. They sent their young after my country was attacked. Sounds like a pretty solid ally to me.
But alas, I must be some sort of bigot if I don't support sending most of our aid to a region that doesn't reciprocate. Funny that, everyone else is allowed to be critical of any ally, even those who have sacrificed lives. We helped win WWII which benefited Israel as much as any European nation, and we give more to Israel after we helped create it. But that's not enough, I have to give just as much loyalty to them as a nation as my own.
Right now, the political establishment of both the left and the right give lots of aid to Israel. And that probably would have continued forever if it wasn't for extremely hostile rhetoric that people are waking up to. If you bring up facts, people just say you hate Jews.
Plenty of people who support Trump are critical of the Pope, doesn't mean they hate Catholics or Christians. Nor would I try to make that distinction.
Unfortunately wokism has made it's way into the mainstream of both parties. People are hell bent on identifying "hate speech" and "wrong think". Frankly, I find it anti American to imply I can't put my country before another.
TL;DR
blah blah blah Joos are bad.
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(06-01-2026, 06:22 PM)DBCowboy Wrote: Israel is in a tough spot.
If they don't go all-in with the gazan's, hezboolah, Iran, NOW, and the evil left comes into power in the US, Israel is cooked.
The left won't support, aid Israel.
The left will pay Iran (again) and Israel will be targeted again.
So I can understand Israels desire to eliminate Iran and their proxies.
Trump wants peace.
Israel wants safety.
Iran wants world domination.
Buckle-up, buttercups, because this is the real world.
Wait. Wait a sec.
Nowhere did I see anything in here about who wants this war.
You missed that part.
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(06-01-2026, 07:43 PM)DBCowboy Wrote: Do you want the state of Israel to exist?
My concern is the United States of America's existence and SOVEREIGNTY
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(06-01-2026, 07:45 PM)SteamyAmerican Wrote: Wait. Wait a sec.
Nowhere did I see anything in here about who wants this war.
You missed that part.
War only exists when one country/nation/state attacks another.
Google, brah. It's your friend.
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(06-01-2026, 07:43 PM)DBCowboy Wrote: TL;DR
blah blah blah Joos are bad.
I’m not shocked at all that partisans resort to the playbook of everyone who disagrees with them is a bigot with hate speech.
Sad that found its way into the right. They were our only hope from the government deciding what is right think and what is wrong think.
We had a good run, but some citizens just want the government to decide what’s best for the citizens who are supposed to be critical of our and any government in this world.
Lucky for you, you’re going to get your way. We’ll all be under the thumb of the government and big tech who is in bed with both parties.
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(06-01-2026, 07:46 PM)cherokeetroy Wrote: My concern is the United States of America's existence and SOVEREIGNTY
Answer enough.
I now know where you stand.
I can't say i did nazi this one coming.
  
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(06-01-2026, 07:48 PM)CriticalStinker Wrote: I’m not shocked at all that partisans resort to the playbook of everyone who disagrees with them is a bigot with hate speech.
Sad that found its way into the right. They were our only hope from the government deciding what is right think and what is wrong think.
We had a good run, but some citizens just want the government to decide what’s best for the citizens who are supposed to be critical of our and any government in this world.
Lucky for you, you’re going to get your way. We’ll all be under the thumb of the government and big tech who is in bed with both parties.
You, after all these years, have fought FOR tyranny of ideology.
Spare me.
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