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(05-25-2026, 02:41 PM)EXETER Wrote: If the JCPOA was a scam, then why did Trump sign off on it twice during his first year in office (2017)?
When Trump unilaterally pulled out of the JCPOA in 2018, his Secretary of State Rex Tillerson fully admitted in a press release that Iran was in full compliance with the terms of the JCPOA. Trump pulled out of the deal even though Iran was still in compliance because he said it was "a bad deal" and that he would negotiate a better one. Which he never did, of course.
If the peace deal with Iran that is being negotiated right now goes through, he will have to negotiate something very similar to the JCPOA, again. Except that now he has fired all his advisers in the government who know anything about nuclear weapons, so he will probably give the job to Jared Kushner.
Trump was given fake info and fake intel at first. Not surprisingly.
Ditto Tillerson.
The real intel came from Israel. Lot's of people fell for the fake stories at first didn't they.
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(05-25-2026, 05:08 PM)govshill2 Wrote: Trump was given fake info and fake intel at first. Not surprisingly. 
Ditto Tillerson. 
The real intel came from Israel. Lot's of people fell for the fake stories at first didn't they.

Old White House / Trump statement from May 2018 .....
Some clues within but READ Carefully and Between Lines.
Ceasing U.S. Participation in the JCPOA and Taking Additional Action to Counter Iran’s Malign Influence and Deny Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon Foreign Policy Issued on: May 8, 2018
Quote:Since the JCPOA’s inception, however, Iran has only escalated its destabilizing activities in the surrounding region. Iranian or Iran-backed forces have gone on the march in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen, and continue to control parts of Lebanon and Gaza. Meanwhile, Iran has publicly declared it would deny the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) access to military sites in direct conflict with the Additional Protocol to its Comprehensive Safeguards Agreement with the IAEA. In 2016, Iran also twice violated the JCPOA’s heavy water stockpile limits.
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Who believes this new source and WHY??
(insert  at green highlight)
Quote:May 25 (Reuters) - The U.S. and Iran are discussing a plan to open the Strait of Hormuz about 30 days after the two countries reach a deal to end hostilities, the Nikkei newspaper reported on Monday citing a Middle East diplomatic source.
Iran would proceed to clear mines from the strait during a 30-day window following an agreement, after which ships from all countries would be able to navigate freely and safely, and Iran would stop collecting transit fees, Nikkei said.
Iran would open Strait of Hormuz 30 days after peace deal, Nikkei reports citing source
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Witch's Brew is Simmering
Quote:mid the speculation regarding how close the U.S. and Iran are to reaching a negotiated agreement, and the wisdom of doing it in stages, as much of the reporting suggests is where things currently stand, President Donald Trump has weighed in on Monday afternoon on Truth Social.
He says in his post on Truth Social that Iran’s “Enriched Uranium (Nuclear Dust!)” must be destroyed, one way or another.
“The Enriched Uranium (Nuclear Dust!) will either be immediately turned over to the United States to be brought home and destroyed or, preferably, in conjunction and coordination with the Islamic Republic of Iran, destroyed in place or, at another acceptable location, with the Atomic Energy Commission, or its equivalent, being witness to this process and event. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DJT”
Trump clarifies his position on what must happen with Iran's 'Nuclear Dust'
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(05-25-2026, 10:35 AM)govshill2 Wrote: That was still under The Original Obama scam agreements. Scams known to be scams now. 
It was an international agreement, initiated from the European Union.
The agreement was to lift international economic sanctions against Iran and in return, Iran would limit their pursuit of nuclear technology. No-one lost out economically in the agreement, so it wasn't a scam.
Quote:From a 2015 CBS Story: (Warning: highly propagandized from 2015)
Read the rest of the sentence from your post, not just the clipped-out headline:
Quote:"Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei told military commanders that he would not allow any inspections of the country's military sites. The issue was one of the more difficult points of contention during the talks and was resolved only near the end."
As you noted, the article was 'spin', designed to tell the literal truth, but in a deceptive or confusing way, to radicalize readers into believing something untrue.
Also, with Trump's illegal tearing up of the agreement and his subsequent war against Iran, the Ayatollah's comments seem fairly justified, if not actually prescient.
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(05-25-2026, 02:41 PM)EXETER Wrote: If the JCPOA was a scam, then why did Trump sign off on it twice during his first year in office (2017)?
When Trump unilaterally pulled out of the JCPOA in 2018, his Secretary of State Rex Tillerson fully admitted in a press release that Iran was in full compliance with the terms of the JCPOA. Trump pulled out of the deal even though Iran was still in compliance because he said it was "a bad deal" and that he would negotiate a better one. Which he never did, of course.
If the peace deal with Iran that is being negotiated right now goes through, he will have to negotiate something very similar to the JCPOA, again. Except that now he has fired all his advisers in the government who know anything about nuclear weapons, so he will probably give the job to Jared Kushner.
If The JCPOA was so great, why didn't The Biden Admin continue it?
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(05-25-2026, 05:52 PM)chr0naut Wrote: It was an international agreement, initiated from the European Union.
The agreement was to lift international economic sanctions against Iran and in return, Iran would limit their pursuit of nuclear technology. No-one lost out economically in the agreement, so it wasn't a scam.
Read the rest of the sentence from your post, not just the clipped-out headline:
As you noted, the article was 'spin', designed to tell the literal truth, but in a deceptive or confusing way, to radicalize readers into believing something untrue.
Also, with Trump's illegal tearing up of the agreement and his subsequent war against Iran, the Ayatollah's comments seem fairly justified, if not actually prescient.
When The U.S. "withdrew" in 2018, why didn't the others enforce anything? Hmmmm
Original signatories:
China
France
Germany
Iran (withdrawn in 2025)
Russia
United Kingdom
United States (withdrawn in 2018)
European Union
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Maybe Iran will think twice before trying to mine the Strait of Hormuz again.
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