Trump says he bombed Iran

[Caveman]

AAAAAAAAAnd you ignore lower taxes and smaller government to push your nanative.

AAAAAAAAnd Big brother AI surveillance isnt smaller government. 

AAAAAAAAnd lower taxes dont mean shit when i have to spend the saving on higher gas and energy 

[DBCowboy]

AAAAAAAAnd Big brother AI surveillance isnt smaller government. 

AAAAAAAAnd lower taxes dont mean shit when i have to spend the saving on higher gas and energy 

Jesus!

I cannot get a single leftist on this site to agree to lower taxes.

It's very telling.

[chr0naut]

A couple of things here:

1) Uranium enrichment does not proceed at a constant, linear rate.  It proceeds at a more-or-less geometric rate.  

For example, natural uranium as you dig it out of the ground consists of 0.7% U235 (the fissionable isotope).  To double the enrichment to 1.4% will take a given amount of time that depends on how good your enrichment technology is (gas diffusion, centrifugation, etc.) To double that again to 2.8% will take about the same amount of time, everything else being equal, and so on.  That means that to go from 30% enrichment to 60% takes about the same amount of time as to go from 0.7% to 1.4%.  The other factor is that as you increase the level of enrichment you also have to handle less total material in order to get to weapons grade.  That means that either you need fewer centrifuges or you can use the ones you have with greater throughput.  In other words, the enrichment process goes very slowly at first and then speeds up very rapidly.  When uranium is enriched to 20%, you've done about 90% of the work to take it to weapons grade.  From that point on, it may take only a few weeks to continue enriching it to weapons grade.  

When Obama negotiated the JCPOA in 2015, Iran had a stockpile of 20% enriched uranium.  The 20% enrichment level is the highest level of enrichment for which there are legitimate research and medical uses.

Firstly, the JCPOA was an international agreement.

Iran nuclear deal - Wikipedia

As part of the plan, Iran agreed to constrain its nuclear program, in return for the lifting of economic sanctions against it.

However, Trump withdrew the US from the JCPOA on 8 May, 2018, imposing new economic sanctions

On 17 May 2018, the European Commission announced its intention to implement the blocking statute of 1996 to declare U.S. sanctions against Iran illegal in Europe and ban European citizens and companies from complying with them.

In response to Trump's breaking the agreement, the Iranians (who had faithfully kept to the agreement, and allowed foreign control, and had suffered several sabotages and bombings by the Israeli's - all, apparently, with the assent of the JCPOA countries), burned the JCPOA in their national assembly.

Even after all of that, Iran still abided by the treaty until 18 October 2025, when they officially announced termination of the agreement.

Do you think that Iran were, at any stage, being unreasonable?

Do you understand Trump's culpability and repeated illegal actions?

Also, HEU (>20% enrichment) does have mundane medical, research and industrial uses:

* HEU targets are irradiated in research reactors to produce molybdenum-99. This decays into technetium-99m, the most widely used medical radioisotope globally. It is utilized in tens of millions of diagnostic imaging and SPECT procedures annually to detect heart disease, cancer, and other abnormalities.

* The high neutron flux produced by HEU-fueled cores enables advanced research in radiobiology, structural biology, and the creation of therapeutic radiation treatments (such as Boron Neutron Capture Therapy).

* HEU-powered reactors provide the intense neutron radiation required to stress-test materials (like advanced alloys and cladding) for commercial nuclear power plants.

* Neutron bombardment of ultrapure silicon ingots allows manufacturers to uniformly dope the silicon with phosphorus. This HEU-enabled process yields high-power semiconductors used in electric vehicles, wind turbines, and smart grid infrastructure

* Neutron scattering and activation analysis provide non-destructive testing for engineering, assessing geological samples, and examining chemical structures

The JCPOA agreement required Iran to get rid of 98% of their enriched uranium by shipping it out of the country, which they did and it was verified by the International Atomic Energy Agency.  

That left only a small amount in the country which was legitimate for research and medical purposes, but not enough to enrich into a weapon.  In other words, Iran went from 90% of the way to weapons material to effectively zero percent overnight, as a result of the JCPOA.  That's what Obama paid Iran the $1.7 Billion for.

Yes, the Obama administration paid Iran $1.7 billion in 2016, but the money did not come from U.S. taxpayers. It was a legal settlement resolving a failed military equipment purchase from the 1970s, before the 1979 Iranian Revolution. And was because the USA was delinquent in its payments.

Before the revolution, the government of Iran had paid $400 million into a trust fund to buy U.S. military equipment. After the revolution, the equipment was never delivered, leaving the principal $400 million and billions of dollars in accumulated interest tied up in a legal dispute for decades..

The Obama administration and Iran reached a settlement to return the original $400 million along with $1.3 billion in interest. Because international sanctions barred Iran from using standard banking networks, the $400 million principal was delivered physically in foreign cash (euros and Swiss francs).The cash delivery occurred concurrently with the release of several American prisoners, leading critics to allege the payout was a ransom. The Obama administration maintained the events were handled by separate teams, though the State Department later acknowledged the cash was used as "leverage" until the American prisoners were safely on a plane.

2) Uranium is typically enriched by first reacting it with Fluorine gas to produce Uranium Hexaflouride (UF6), then heating that compound until it goes from solid to gas phase, and then running the UF6 gas  through the centrifuges.  Once the UF6 gets to the desired level of enrichment for weapons grade, the fluorine has to be driven off to yield metallic uranium.  That requires a multi-step process which requires transporting the UF6 to what amounts to a specialized metal foundry, reducing it back to metallic form, and then carefully machining the metal into the correct shapes for a bomb.  All while making sure than not enough of the metal accumulates in any one spot capable of causing a criticality accident.  When the intelligence agencies say that Iran was not trying to make nuclear weapons, they mean that they had not detected any efforts to transport the UF6 to their facilities where they could turn the UF6 into metal. 

Thanks, but I know all that.

Iran also aren't using the efficient Calutrons for enrichment, after they got that tech from Iraq in the late 70's.

Part of the JCPOA limited Iran's enrichment facilities and methods, and they abided by the agreement until the US broke faith.

It seems you are using all sorts of complications to distract you from the truth. They did not actually have weapons grade, when so many 'roguish countries' have both the weapons and delivery systems.

There's no question that Iran has both the knowledge and facilities to produce nuclear bomb cores.

Yes, but that sort of stuff isn't really that secret or that unusual for countries these days.

 They just haven't made that dash to convert the UF6 to uranium metal.

No, they haven't, have they?

Yet the US attacked as if they had.

The USA is the rogue nuclear armed nation.

[Caveman]

I agree with you. Too bad trump is helping pave the way for big brother AI surveillance with his biggest financial backer and ally Larry Ellison.

If being against corrupt left and right politicians is leftist then i guess im leftist?

[DBCowboy]

If being against corrupt left and right politicians is leftist then i guess im leftist?

Yes.  I never said I was a republican.

I just accused you of being for higher taxes.

[govshill2]

Firstly, the JCPOA was an international agreement.

Iran nuclear deal - Wikipedia

As part of the plan, Iran agreed to constrain its nuclear program, in return for the lifting of economic sanctions against it.

However, Trump withdrew the US from the JCPOA on 8 May, 2018, imposing new economic sanctions

On 17 May 2018, the European Commission announced its intention to implement the blocking statute of 1996 to declare U.S. sanctions against Iran illegal in Europe and ban European citizens and companies from complying with them.

In response to Trump's breaking the agreement, the Iranians (who had faithfully kept to the agreement, and allowed foreign control, and had suffered several sabotages and bombings by the Israeli's - all, apparently, with the assent of the JCPOA countries), burned the JCPOA in their national assembly.

Even after all of that, Iran still abided by the treaty until 18 October 2025, when they officially announced termination of the agreement.

Do you think that Iran were, at any stage, being unreasonable?

Do you understand Trump's culpability and repeated illegal actions?

Also, HEU (>20% enrichment) does have mundane medical, research and industrial uses:

* HEU targets are irradiated in research reactors to produce molybdenum-99. This decays into technetium-99m, the most widely used medical radioisotope globally. It is utilized in tens of millions of diagnostic imaging and SPECT procedures annually to detect heart disease, cancer, and other abnormalities.

* The high neutron flux produced by HEU-fueled cores enables advanced research in radiobiology, structural biology, and the creation of therapeutic radiation treatments (such as Boron Neutron Capture Therapy).

* HEU-powered reactors provide the intense neutron radiation required to stress-test materials (like advanced alloys and cladding) for commercial nuclear power plants.

* Neutron bombardment of ultrapure silicon ingots allows manufacturers to uniformly dope the silicon with phosphorus. This HEU-enabled process yields high-power semiconductors used in electric vehicles, wind turbines, and smart grid infrastructure

* Neutron scattering and activation analysis provide non-destructive testing for engineering, assessing geological samples, and examining chemical structures


Yes, the Obama administration paid Iran $1.7 billion in 2016, but the money did not come from U.S. taxpayers. It was a legal settlement resolving a failed military equipment purchase from the 1970s, before the 1979 Iranian Revolution. And was because the USA was delinquent in its payments.

Before the revolution, the government of Iran had paid $400 million into a trust fund to buy U.S. military equipment. After the revolution, the equipment was never delivered, leaving the principal $400 million and billions of dollars in accumulated interest tied up in a legal dispute for decades..

The Obama administration and Iran reached a settlement to return the original $400 million along with $1.3 billion in interest. Because international sanctions barred Iran from using standard banking networks, the $400 million principal was delivered physically in foreign cash (euros and Swiss francs).The cash delivery occurred concurrently with the release of several American prisoners, leading critics to allege the payout was a ransom. The Obama administration maintained the events were handled by separate teams, though the State Department later acknowledged the cash was used as "leverage" until the American prisoners were safely on a plane.


Thanks, but I know all that.

Iran also aren't using the efficient Calutrons for enrichment, after they got that tech from Iraq in the late 70's.

Part of the JCPOA limited Iran's enrichment facilities and methods, and they abided by the agreement until the US broke faith.

It seems you are using all sorts of complications to distract you from the truth. They did not actually have weapons grade, when so many 'roguish countries' have both the weapons and delivery systems.


Yes, but that sort of stuff isn't really that secret or that unusual for countries these days.


No, they haven't, have they?

Yet the US attacked as if they had.

The USA is the rogue nuclear armed nation.

But Iran in 2017 said THIS!!!

All it takes is one lie from Iran drug fueled leaders.

Article from 2017:    ​​​​​​​
Iran says military sites are off-limits for nuclear inspections despite U.S. pressure

[Caveman]

Yes.  I never said I was a republican.

I just accused you of being for higher taxes.

You can be whatever you want thats cool with me. 

Where did you get that im for higher taxes??

[Caveman]

But Iran in 2017 said THIS!!!

All it takes is one lie from Iran drug fueled leaders.

Article from 2017:   
Iran says military sites are off-limits for nuclear inspections despite U.S. pressure

I feel like our chains are being yanked from both ends 

[DBCowboy]

You can be whatever you want thats cool with me. 

Where did you get that im for higher taxes??

So you're for lower taxes?

[Caveman]

So you're for lower taxes?

Always