Trump says he bombed Iran

[Vermilion]

Initially, yes, that's because the terms of the JCPOA were still in effect up until the moment Trump withdrew.  You've just proven my point that the JCPOA was working.  

After Trump unilaterally withdrew from the agreement in 2018 Iran began violating most of the terms of the agreement in response within about a year.  By mid 2019, Iran had increased the number of centrifuges it was using, was increasing its stockpile of enriched uranium, and had increased its enrichment level to 60%--all in violation of the terms of the JCPOA.  In other words, it was well on its way back to pursuing a nuclear weapons program when there was still a year and half left in Trump's first term.  It happened on his watch. Those are the facts.

“The JCPOA was working” LoL
This is a lie. It's actually multiple lies that stack on each other. It's not how the JCPOA was structured in theory and it's not what happened in practice over the last 10 years.

1. The deal legalized Iran enriching uranium in unlimited amounts to unlimited levels as it expired, which would be happening right now. Even Obama said that by the out years the breakout time would shrink to almost zero.

2. After Trump withdrew from the deal, the Iranians did not make significant progress on their nuclear program until Biden was elected. Maximum pressure kept the program in a box. They did not enrich above 5%, cascade advanced centrifuges, etc. They only crossed those lines AFTER November 2020 because they assessed, correctly, that Biden would appease them.

There's an important argument about how these two issues are related.
The reason we seemingly live in a timeline in which the JCPOA was implemented and Iran’s breakout time went to zero is because we actually do live in that world.
Biden unilaterally reimplemented the core parts of the deal: he rescinded the UN snapback to dismantle international sanctions, allowed Iran to export oil at JCPOA levels, and reissued Annex 3 civil-nuclear waivers to let the regime build out its nuclear program.
But we can’t get to any of that if people won’t stop lying.

[quintessentone]

Well this is progress.
At least you can tacitly admit it now.

What sense does it make for a country, known around the world for sponsoring terrorism, to say they only want nuclear energy for innocent reasons yet build a top secret nuclear facility deep underground beneath a granite mountain?
Why take the time and massive resources trying to hide something they say they aren’t hiding?
Why are they telling us 2+2=5?

The truth was just posted...blood for oil! Trump designated North Korea as sponsoring terrorism as well, but they don't have any oil, so let them be...see how that works?

[Kurokage]

Well this is progress.
At least you can tacitly admit it now.

What sense does it make for a country, known around the world for sponsoring terrorism, to say they only want nuclear energy for innocent reasons yet build a top secret nuclear facility deep underground beneath a granite mountain?
Why take the time and massive resources trying to hide something they say they aren’t hiding?
Why are they telling us 2+2=5?

Well if you'd of actually asked me in the beginning instead of posting constant 'whataboutisms' and insults, you may have learned it!

Both India and Pakistan are nuclear, and Israel have been nuclear for a long time. I don't see anyone having hissy fits about those countries

Oh wait, American hasn't attacked or bombed any of those countries.

Iran was happy to come to the table and talk with Obama about reducing it's nuclear ambitions, Trump has now ended that possibility with this attack, (By the way, it was only a few days after talks when Trump then started bombing them)

I wouldn't blame any country trying to arm itself after a perceived back stabbing like that.

[Kurokage]

The truth was just posted...blood for oil! Trump designated North Korea as sponsoring terrorism as well, but they don't have any oil, so let them be...see how that works?

He's also allowed North Korea to have nuclear weapons, has he started bombing them back to the "stone ages"??

[Kurokage]

“The JCPOA was working” LoL
This is a lie. It's actually multiple lies that stack on each other. It's not how the JCPOA was structured in theory and it's not what happened in practice over the last 10 years.

1. The deal legalized Iran enriching uranium in unlimited amounts to unlimited levels as it expired, which would be happening right now. Even Obama said that by the out years the breakout time would shrink to almost zero.

2. After Trump withdrew from the deal, the Iranians did not make significant progress on their nuclear program until Biden was elected. Maximum pressure kept the program in a box. They did not enrich above 5%, cascade advanced centrifuges, etc. They only crossed those lines AFTER November 2020 because they assessed, correctly, that Biden would appease them.

There's an important argument about how these two issues are related.
The reason we seemingly live in a timeline in which the JCPOA was implemented and Iran’s breakout time went to zero is because we actually do live in that world.
Biden unilaterally reimplemented the core parts of the deal: he rescinded the UN snapback to dismantle international sanctions, allowed Iran to export oil at JCPOA levels, and reissued Annex 3 civil-nuclear waivers to let the regime build out its nuclear program.
But we can’t get to any of that if people won’t stop lying.

How about posting some links to back up your claims here, as it just appears like speculation on your part??

[Vermilion]

Well if you'd of actually asked me in the beginning instead of posting constant 'whataboutisms' and insults, you may have learned it!

Both India and Pakistan are nuclear, and Israel have been nuclear for a long time. I don't see anyone having hissy fits about those countries

Oh wait, American hasn't attacked or bombed any of those countries.

Iran was happy to come to the table and talk with Obama about reducing it's nuclear ambitions, Trump has now ended that possibility with this attack, (By the way, it was only a few days after talks when Trump then started bombing them)

I wouldn't blame any country trying to arm itself after a perceived back stabbing like that.

India and Pakistan aren’t state sponsors of terrorism and never declared war on America.
Apples and oranges.

Iran was happy because Hussein Obama concocted his grand scheme (JCPOA) to not only let Iran continue its nuclear weapons program, but to pay for for it too.
Then he, and Iran, pretended like it didn’t happen.
Hindsight being 20/20 and all, it’s clear as day how it went down.

[Vermilion]

He's also allowed North Korea to have nuclear weapons and has started bombing them back to the "stone ages"

China is the only reason the norks have nukes.
Fascinating that you need to be told that.

[Kurokage]

India and Pakistan aren’t state sponsors of terrorism and never declared war on America.
Apples and oranges.

Iran was happy because Hussein Obama concocted his grand scheme (JCPOA) to not only let Iran continue its nuclear weapons program, but to pay for for it too.
Then he, and Iran, pretended like it didn’t happen.
Hindsight being 20/20 and all, it’s clear as day how it went down.

Again, nothing to back up your claims in this thread, also do some simple research...

Numerous countries, including the United States, India, and Afghanistan, have accused Pakistan of harboring and supporting terrorist groups such as Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad. These groups have been implicated in high-profile attacks, including the 2008 Mumbai attacks. Pakistan's military and intelligence services, particularly the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), have been linked to these organizations, providing them with training, funding, and operational support. 

Wikipedia+1
In recent years, Pakistani officials have acknowledged the presence of various armed groups within the country, with former Prime Minister Imran Khan admitting to the existence of thousands of militants operating on Pakistani soil. Furthermore, the U.S. State Department has classified Pakistan as a safe haven for terrorists, citing inadequate governance and political will to combat these groups effectively. 

Wikipedia+1

[Kurokage]

China is the only reason the norks have nukes.
Fascinating that you need to be told that.

Your failed insult aside.

Trumps attack on Iran was at one point (before he flip flopped) all about Iran and it's nukes.
There are other countries like North Korea who have claimed "Death to America" for many years, which was part of the reasoning from many of the Trump cult for the attacks on Iran.

[Vermilion]

How about posting some links to back up your claims here, as it just appears like speculation on your part??

You admittedly know very little about the JCPOA, and that’s ok.
Start here.
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/j...poa-glance

Then specifically look at Adoption Day, Transition Day, and Termination Day.
You’ll find my facts are true.