Trump says he bombed Iran

[DBCowboy]

My red line certainly wouldn't be the one America has had post WWII.

We've lost about 100,000 soldiers to combat post WWII. Most of those wars were "preemptive". Many of those nations didn't even have the capacity to hit the US.

I'm not some hippy who thinks the world can be all peace, and everyone can avoid a war forever. But it's like anything else, you have to pick and choose. There are some fights in life that we have to pick, not just wars.

I guess everyone sees threats and red lines differently. I think there are far more domestic threats than external ones. And when I say domestic, that doesn't mean I'm saying there is a group of people out to kill me, I'm saying we have problems as a nation that many people die to regularly. Plenty of hard working American's can't afford a fight against cancer, very few people care about that. I'm not even saying we go to free everything, but I suppose we could make an effort to fix the system somehow yea?

The most important person in my life died to a cancer that should have been caught, but there were fights over whether insurance would cover testing without doctor approval. I don't wear it as a chip on my shoulder... You don't see me talking about that topic ad nauseum. This is the world, there are risks. I still have more of a risk of a car accident than that genetic form of cancer I may get... Yet I still get in my car every single day and drive to work.

Iran isn't even the biggest external threat, they weren't even close. China and Russia are both far more capable. The only argument would be that they are more sensible and rational, yet Iran has still refrained from blowing up the Saudi Pipeline. That would send the globe into a shock, and yet they've stayed on the same escalation path as the US and Israel. One might be able to say we've weakened them, yet their missiles still land daily in Israel with their Iron Dome.

Nice word salad, Kamala.

Where's your red line?

[CriticalStinker]

Nice word salad, Kamala.

Where's your red line?

Hardly a word salad, I think I showed my math.

As I said, my red line is clearly something different than our post WWII policy. I think we likely create more future enemies than threats eliminated with our recent stance.

Hell, if we went off of the same logic as "we've been at war with Iran for 47 years, and they have indirectly killed 1,000 Americans", we'd have to go after Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

If it's the premise that they've chanted too many "death to Americas", we'd have to directly engage Russia for saying they may nuke people. 

We were somehow able to become allies with Japan and Germany after the horrors of WWII, but I'm to believe there are certain groups of people on this planet there is no possibility of reconciliation with. It just doesn't make sense to me brother.

[DBCowboy]

Hardly a word salad, I think I showed my math.

As I said, my red line is clearly something different than our post WWII policy. I think we likely create more future enemies than threats eliminated with our recent stance.

Hell, if we went off of the same logic as "we've been at war with Iran for 47 years, and they have indirectly killed 1,000 Americans", we'd have to go after Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

If it's the premise that they've chanted too many "death to Americas", we'd have to directly engage Russia for saying they may nuke people. 

We were somehow able to become allies with Japan and Germany after the horrors of WWII, but I'm to believe there are certain groups of people on this planet there is no possibility of reconciliation with. It just doesn't make sense to me brother.

How would you codify Sharia law with the US Constitution?

[CriticalStinker]

How would you codify Sharia law with the US Constitution?

That's the beauty, you can't.

Should I be worried that a religion under 5% of our population will be able to enact Sharia law? I don't see that as a realistic possibility. And if there is any chance that Islam has a meaningful threat to the US, I don't think constantly waging war primarily in one region on earth for half a century helps. 

What's the point of energy independence if we constantly mold our whole foreign policy around a region that doesn't matter to us?

[DBCowboy]

What's the point of energy independence if we constantly mold our whole foreign policy around a region that doesn't matter to us?

Why did you assume that it didn't matter to us?

[CriticalStinker]

Why did you assume that it didn't matter to us?

Five presidential elections in a row have been won with candidates who said we need to back off from the Middle East, no?

We could argue that all of them were hypocrites, I’d agree with you. But that’s how I remember it. Some of them even competed as to who was more anti war against the region. I’d be willing to bet we could find an argument on that very matter from the last election.

[ANNEE]

How would you codify Sharia law with the US Constitution?

Same way you do certain Jewish sects that have their own laws and have lived in America for many years. 

Or the Amish — or any other religious sect in America. 

Sharia law is only for those who follow it. 

Have there been issues of older generations trying to force their belief on a younger generation — that don’t agree?  Yes — but that applies to certain Christian sects as well.

[DBCowboy]

Same way you do certain Jewish sects that have their own laws and have lived in America for many years. 

Or the Amish — or any other religious sect in America. 

Sharia law is only for those who follow it. 

Have there been issues of older generations trying to force their belief on a younger generation — that don’t agree?  Yes — but that applies to certain Christian sects as well.

Not if it conflicts with the US Constitution.

[DBCowboy]

Five presidential elections in a row have been won with candidates who said we need to back off from the Middle East, no?

Five presidents were assholes.

We gonna use precedent from MIC prezzies that were asshole leftists?

[CriticalStinker]

Five presidents were assholes.

We gonna use precedent from MIC prezzies that were asshole leftists?

I can see you preemptively cut off the second half to that eh? ?

Alright, I’ll cede that my red line is pussy, but you have to answer a question you refused to earlier in the thread.

Whats the objectives, and what is a win here?