Trump says he bombed Iran

[CriticalStinker]

Trump ran for office on the premise of being an 'outsider' and 'enemy of the establishment' due to him never holding political office but he had a long history of political involvement, including large donations, plus his close associations with the political class

Not to mention all the Democrat ties to Epstein which includes Trump

So not really much of an outsider 

I don't think Trump was an anomaly 

I don't think it was an accident or chance that he was positioned to run against Hillary or Biden

The deep state was likely hedging its bet
Making absolute certain that regardless of which political side wins the elections 
They win either way

I think there was a case to be made in his first term that a lot of the establishment was still bucking back on him. Media, tech and the rest of the oligarch types. But this time a lot of those entities have publicly latched on or even endorsed him.

I think they saw ultimately the policy he offers isn't much different than other administrations. And he does get a rise out of a lot of the population. So going forward, I think people will gleefully go to an establishment type politician instead of gambling. I believe we saw that with Biden who everyone should have known would be the same as the Bush/Clinton/Obama type of president. 

I think the war in Iran solidifies that he is just like the rest. The debt let me know his first term he wasn't going to do much different, but I could at least see the case people were trying to make with tariffs that there might be some kind of plan out of that, even if the revenue from tariffs didn't change our deficit, much less cover all the ambitious plans like DOGE rebates or stimulus checks. His base has even gotten to the "debt doesn't matter" phase that we've seen with partisan admins in the past. People just accept it rather than admitting their guy is no different than the others.

[CriticalStinker]

I am proud that Trump has taken Iran on because it is a major terrorism threat to the region and beyond.

Look how Spain is acting, probably because of Iranian terrorism cells seeded throughout Europe and the US.

They wanted to rule the world, and ONLY Trump has had the balls to take them on.

I don't think Iran had any chance of ruling the world. Hell, they've only been in one real war in many decades. 

They had a religious extremist dictatorship, and funded some bad proxies. But I don't see how that would translate to ruling the world in any reasonable amount of time.

[DBCowboy]

I don't think Iran had any chance of ruling the world. Hell, they've only been in one real war in many decades. 

They had a religious extremist dictatorship, and funded some bad proxies. But I don't see how that would translate to ruling the world in any reasonable amount of time.

Their chances have diminished considerably.

But maybe we should have waited, like the evil communist left wanted, until they nuked Israel or any other nation.

[CriticalStinker]

Their chances have diminished considerably.

But maybe we should have waited, like the evil communist left wanted, until they nuked Israel or any other nation.

That's pure speculation that they would have done it.

Plus, if we're talking about nations with the capability of becoming a global superpower that is China. We're going to be running dangerously low on interceptors and advanced munitions soon. If they're as evil as everyone says, soon would be their time.

But alas, there is always some scary boogieman to justify the MIC and constant war. Yet a lot of the people we're told are evil and want to destroy us never even try.

[DBCowboy]

That's pure speculation that they would have done it.

Plus, if we're talking about nations with the capability of becoming a global superpower that is China. We're going to be running dangerously low on interceptors and advanced munitions soon. If they're as evil as everyone says, soon would be their time.

But alas, there is always some scary boogieman to justify the MIC and constant war. Yet a lot of the people we're told are evil and want to destroy us never even try.

Karen, sometimes the boogiemen are real.

Hello, real world knocking.

Anyone home?

[CriticalStinker]

Karen, sometimes the boogiemen are real.

Hello, real world knocking.

Anyone home?

They're not real more often than not though. I think crying wolf is more dangerous than finding some new war every 5-10 years. 

Eventually it won't matter if a boogieman is real. We'll be so in debt with a population that isn't replacing itself we'll just fall from superpower status anyways. People can't afford to have more than 2 kids, that's the sad reality. And just 2 for every couple isn't even replacing the population because sadly not all of us make it. 

So to me, it's more about priorities. Do I want to preempt every perceived threat to ensure we go bust? Or accept that bad things could happen in this world, but it's far more likely that it doesn't. I have more of a chance to die in a car accident than get killed by terrorists or a war situation. Yet I get in my car every day. Part of life is we can't eliminate every single threat that might possibly exist.

[DBCowboy]

They're not real more often than not though. I think crying wolf is more dangerous than finding some new war every 5-10 years. 

Eventually it won't matter if a boogieman is real. We'll be so in debt with a population that isn't replacing itself we'll just fall from superpower status anyways. People can't afford to have more than 2 kids, that's the sad reality. And just 2 for every couple isn't even replacing the population because sadly not all of us make it. 

So to me, it's more about priorities. Do I want to preempt every perceived threat to ensure we go bust? Or accept that bad things could happen in this world, but it's far more likely that it doesn't. I have more of a chance to die in a car accident than get killed by terrorists or a war situation. Yet I get in my car every day. Part of life is we can't eliminate every single threat that might possibly exist.

Well then embrace Sharia.

[DBCowboy]

They're not real more often than not though. I think crying wolf is more dangerous than finding some new war every 5-10 years. 

Eventually it won't matter if a boogieman is real. We'll be so in debt with a population that isn't replacing itself we'll just fall from superpower status anyways. People can't afford to have more than 2 kids, that's the sad reality. And just 2 for every couple isn't even replacing the population because sadly not all of us make it. 

So to me, it's more about priorities. Do I want to preempt every perceived threat to ensure we go bust? Or accept that bad things could happen in this world, but it's far more likely that it doesn't. I have more of a chance to die in a car accident than get killed by terrorists or a war situation. Yet I get in my car every day. Part of life is we can't eliminate every single threat that might possibly exist.

Where's your red line?

When would you join the fight?

Is there one or would you surrender?

[Vermilion]

“We never sought to make nukes using that reactor we built 100 meters under a granite mountain.”

The left believes this.

[CriticalStinker]

Where's your red line?

When would you join the fight?

Is there one or would you surrender?

My red line certainly wouldn't be the one America has had post WWII.

We've lost about 100,000 soldiers to combat post WWII. Most of those wars were "preemptive". Many of those nations didn't even have the capacity to hit the US.

I'm not some hippy who thinks the world can be all peace, and everyone can avoid a war forever. But it's like anything else, you have to pick and choose. There are some fights in life that we have to pick, not just wars.

I guess everyone sees threats and red lines differently. I think there are far more domestic threats than external ones. And when I say domestic, that doesn't mean I'm saying there is a group of people out to kill me, I'm saying we have problems as a nation that many people die to regularly. Plenty of hard working American's can't afford a fight against cancer, very few people care about that. I'm not even saying we go to free everything, but I suppose we could make an effort to fix the system somehow yea?

The most important person in my life died to a cancer that should have been caught, but there were fights over whether insurance would cover testing without doctor approval. I don't wear it as a chip on my shoulder... You don't see me talking about that topic ad nauseum. This is the world, there are risks. I still have more of a risk of a car accident than that genetic form of cancer I may get... Yet I still get in my car every single day and drive to work.

Iran isn't even the biggest external threat, they weren't even close. China and Russia are both far more capable. The only argument would be that they are more sensible and rational, yet Iran has still refrained from blowing up the Saudi Pipeline. That would send the globe into a shock, and yet they've stayed on the same escalation path as the US and Israel. One might be able to say we've weakened them, yet their missiles still land daily in Israel with their Iron Dome.