Trump says he bombed Iran

[Vermilion]

So what does winning look like here? What has to happen for this to be done?

What if we can’t do those things from the air. 

These are questions no one knows the answer to, and that’s a problem.

It’s not a big problem for me that they aren’t running all this stuff by you.
You wouldn’t believe them even if they did.

[DBCowboy]

Answer the questions then.

No.

[DBCowboy]

OK, fair enough.  How does that make them BETTER allies than the other nations who sent troops?

It doesn't make them better or worse, but they were there and aiding in the effort.

[CriticalStinker]

It’s not a big problem for me that they aren’t running all this stuff by you.
You wouldn’t believe them even if they did.

I don’t think citizens wanting to know why they’re at war, and what the objectives are is a big ask.

We always do it, no matter who’s in power. It’s our government after all.

[Vermilion]

I don’t think citizens wanting to know why they’re at war, and what the objectives are is a big ask.

We always do it, no matter who’s in power. It’s our government after all.

That’s not a problem.

The problem is gaslighting.
You come here and cry daily that you don’t know the objectives when they’ve said them since day one.
Whether you believe them or not is irrelevant.
You keep acting like they haven’t been laid out for everybody.


Prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.
Eliminate Iran’s ballistic missile program.
Neutralize Iran’s support for terrorist groups and proxy militias.
Degrade Iran’s conventional military capabilities, particularly naval forces.
Isolate Iran diplomatically and economically.
Weaken or compel strategic submission of the regime.
Basically, stop Iran from terrorizing their people, their neighbors, and the world.

We don’t get the privilege of knowing exactly step by step how that happens.
We haven’t earned it.

We can talk about any and all those things, that’s why we’re here. but the gaslighting is getting old.

[CriticalStinker]

That’s not a problem.

The problem is gaslighting.
You come here and cry daily that you don’t know the objectives when they’ve said them since day one.
Whether you believe them or not is irrelevant.
You keep acting like they haven’t been laid out for everybody.


Prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.
Eliminate Iran’s ballistic missile program.
Neutralize Iran’s support for terrorist groups and proxy militias.
Degrade Iran’s conventional military capabilities, particularly naval forces.
Isolate Iran diplomatically and economically.
Weaken or compel strategic submission of the regime.
Basically, stop Iran from terrorizing their people, their neighbors, and the world.

We don’t get the privilege of knowing exactly step by step how that happens.
We haven’t earned it.

We can talk about any and all those things, that’s why we’re here. but the gaslighting is getting old.

All of that isn't happening from the air, I think that is clear.

We said we obliterated the nuclear program in the summer. Then the admin said they had 350kg of fissile material, the same material they called fake news when it was reported to have moved in the summer. 

So if we didn't finish it then from the air with the biggest bunker busters, what makes you think we can now (from the air).

Those were valid questions. And I can appreciate you feeling like I'm gaslighting people who are strong supporters of Trump, to the extent they'll take him at his word. I can because I feel like he often gaslights us. 

We don’t get the privilege of knowing exactly step by step how that happens.
We haven’t earned it.

I never said step by step. That implies I want the whole classified report on how we're going to do it. That's not what I asked.

I asked:

What are the objectives.

What happens if we can't do it from the air.

I think those are good and valid questions. I think that is exactly what citizens should be asking of their employees. And I guess I don't understand your statement of "We haven't earned it". We haven't earned what? The right to ask these things of our elected officials?

Trump gets 60-90 day's of strikes because congress has been so spineless for decades that they'd rather the President take the blame of messy foreign policy so they don't have to get their hands dirty before reelection. But the reason I asked what happens if we can't do it from the air is a pretty obvious one. 

If we can't take out the regime from the air, does that mean we occupy?

[FlyersFan]

If we can't take out the regime from the air, does that mean we occupy?

I don't think it's possible to occupy Iran.
The country has 92 million people.
600,000 active duty military.
1,000,000 military reservists.

[CriticalStinker]

I don't think it's possible to occupy Iran.
The country has 92 million people.
600,000 active duty military.
1,000,000 military reservists.

I think we would achieve our objectives with a ground force, but it would come at an incredibly heavy cost.

I think the American people should ask themselves what it’s worth to have the objectives of new regime, no missiles, no remnants of a nuclear program. Because all those things and a ground force would mean thousands of American lives in the best circumstances.

I think it’s a question that will be asked in a few weeks. The strait of Hormuz is closed. Earlier in the week, that wasn’t the assumption. But it’s clear it’s closed now.

that’s going to hurt. Spot price of oil is 90 right now with 500m barrels of oil promised to enter global supply from the reserves. That buys us all about a month with pain.

If the Bab al-Mandab Strait (at the Mouth of the Red Sea) gets shut down too, that’s 7m barrels per day from just the Saudi Arabian pipeline. Oil is at 150-200 pretty soon after.

If the Houthis block it again, or that pipeline gets hit, the world is going to be very tense.

[cherokeetroy]

Yes, let's blindly trust a proven compulsive, pathological liar and probable psychopath

That seems like the rational thing to do


Trump: "We won!"

I'll file that along with other memorable quotes like:

"Lock her up!"
"2 weeks to flatten the curve!"
"I'll end the Ukraine war on day 1!"
"Epstein is a Democrat hoax!"

[cherokeetroy]

REPORTER: Any evidence Iran was about to attack the United States ?

WHITE HOUSE: The president had a feeling.

REPORTER: The president launched a war on a feeling ?

WHITE HOUSE: That is what Jared Kushner told the president and it was final.

https://x.com/GuntherEagleman/status/203...48593?s=20


It's sounding more and more like Jared Kushner is Trump's handler