Trump says he bombed Iran

[CriticalStinker]

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A couple of different perspectives in how this war is going.

On the Information front, the AWS (Amazon Web Server) got taken out in the UAE and Bahrain. Last time an AWS crashed it took out about 90% of the internet services going on as all the big providers use them.

With Larry Ellison recent investment into Tick Toc, it is on the same information filters as Facebook, X and other social media sites. One of the rules in the 'Art of War' is to look strong when weak and look weak when strong. With the heavy censorship going on Israel, it is trying to look strong.

When AWS went out, it was AWS East, likely in Northern Virginia. About 50-75% of daily internet traffic moves through Northern VA each day. That's where the fiber lines come under sea from NY and Europe. The one's in the Middle East are likely just handling traffic for that region, so I think the effects will be isolated. AWS is a serious backbone provider to the internet though, so the effects could be bad in a wartime scenario. 

As far as the social media side, the algo's are always going to favor the owners. I just don't know if it matters as much in this scenario. I don't think there is anyone that is pro Iran, there are just people who question if we should be engaged in conflict right now. Plus there isn't too much footage coming out from any of the countries. A lot of the nations over there have state censorship in place, including Israel who put rules in place for footage coming out.

Some of this is standard OPSEC. Obviously you don't want interceptor positions being exposed, or the enemy to know when they are hitting targets... But I think the alarming thing is seeing that even in a day in age where everyone is connected, sometimes in emergency they constrict what gets through. Then you have the ability for social media companies to help out, and AI getting to a point it's hard to tell what's real.

[Maxmars]

When AWS went out, it was AWS East, likely in Northern Virginia. About 50-75% of daily internet traffic moves through Northern VA each day. That's where the fiber lines come under sea from NY and Europe. The one's in the Middle East are likely just handling traffic for that region, so I think the effects will be isolated. AWS is a serious backbone provider to the internet though, so the effects could be bad in a wartime scenario. 

As far as the social media side, the algo's are always going to favor the owners. I just don't know if it matters as much in this scenario. I don't think there is anyone that is pro Iran, there are just people who question if we should be engaged in conflict right now. Plus there isn't too much footage coming out from any of the countries. A lot of the nations over there have state censorship in place, including Israel who put rules in place for footage coming out.

Some of this is standard OPSEC. Obviously you don't want interceptor positions being exposed, or the enemy to know when they are hitting targets... But I think the alarming thing is seeing that even in a day in age where everyone is connected, sometimes in emergency they constrict what gets through. Then you have the ability for social media companies to help out, and AI getting to a point it's hard to tell what's real.

I want to ask an OT question about that... which might help me understand what is direct action and what is feigned...

Given the distributed networking and systemic redundancies within the up/down stream... how is it still possible to affect the internet "regionally?"  I mean, cell phones use a strategy for inter-linking nodes that I thought would have applied to a critical network stream...  

I'm no expert in this in any way... but I wonder if this particular vulnerability is because of 'centralized' control.
They form physically controllable points... rather than create a lattice of information with no actual "location."

Or am I just stoned or something...  ? 

[CriticalStinker]

I want to ask an OT question about that... which might help me understand what is direct action and what is feigned...

Given the distributed networking and systemic redundancies within the up/down stream... how is it still possible to affect the internet "regionally?"  I mean, cell phones use a strategy for inter-linking nodes that I thought would have applied to a critical network stream...  

I'm no expert in this in any way... but I wonder if this particular vulnerability is because of 'centralized' control.
They form physically controllable points... rather than create a lattice of information with no actual "location."

Or am I just stoned or something...  ? 

You're right, it's a centralization problem.

A lot of people use AWS to host. So the internet didn't go down when AWS went down, it was just the websites that used AWS to host, which is a lot of them.

Data centers themselves do have a lot of redundancy built in, and there is a rating system for this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_center_tiers.

Most important data centers are going to have double the needed UPS (uninterruptible power supplies) that are basically massive battery banks designed to keep power going downstream if utility goes down. You have an A and a B side with separate wiring offering two feeds to all equipment, if one side goes down an automatic transfer switch goes to the other side. Those are just there for handoff to generator, and depending on how critical you are, you keep weeks of fuel in a tank.

Financial companies, and other entities who absolutely have to have control will self perform and have a full mirror data center somewhere else in the country, so that if one site goes down you have a copy that is ready to take over. That was what made the CME crash so odd in November. I'm going off of memory, but I think they provide the futures trading, so it wasn't during market hours, but still had a big effect as there was some volatility at the time. 

Thing is, it's incredibly expensive to self perform your own data centers, especially if you're not an IT company. So most people just host it to cloud (Google, Microsoft, Amazon). Even if you do have your own data centers, there might be times you need to supplement during high demand. Our government uses those infrastructures too.

[Kwaka]

If any nation is getting ready for regime change, it is Israel. If Trump is looking for the people that do cut babies heads off, got a few in that back yard to sort out.

[CriticalStinker]

I want to ask an OT question about that... which might help me understand what is direct action and what is feigned...

Given the distributed networking and systemic redundancies within the up/down stream... how is it still possible to affect the internet "regionally?"  I mean, cell phones use a strategy for inter-linking nodes that I thought would have applied to a critical network stream...  

I'm no expert in this in any way... but I wonder if this particular vulnerability is because of 'centralized' control.
They form physically controllable points... rather than create a lattice of information with no actual "location."

Or am I just stoned or something...  ? 

Follow up as I did the Server host side, but this part is a little bit more relevant to war, and how things can really be effected.

They took out the servers that host data (think webpages or online services). Those were mostly regional, and there are likely other ways they can get things back online.

But the actual traffic is going through ISPs (internet service providers). Think of them as the switch board, their gear isn't going to have as much storage, mainly they're routing all the packets. But the big highways are the submarine fiber cables. That is what's going to all the "hubs" one of the biggest for the whole world being Northern Virginia. The Submarine map kind of shows why, a lot of international traffic comes via undersea cables around DC.

https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

What makes this relevant is, some of these cables have been cut. That is a little trickier to repair if something goes down. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Balti...isruptions

So in the last few years we've seen the cables and data centers get targeted. 

As you said, there are other types of networks, such as cell and satellite, but those still use the same internet protocols for the most part, and utilize the on ground network, they just transmit to the end user a little bit differently. Things like Starlink and ASTS are going to help in emergency, but they can't handle the same throughput as fiber. So it will be nice when a hurricane happens to have limited connectivity, something we saw an issue for in Asheville during their flooding. They were almost completely disconnected from communication for days, some for weeks. They even had to bring in temporary towers.

[ReturnofBroccoli]

I want to ask an OT question about that... which might help me understand what is direct action and what is feigned...

Given the distributed networking and systemic redundancies within the up/down stream... how is it still possible to affect the internet "regionally?"  I mean, cell phones use a strategy for inter-linking nodes that I thought would have applied to a critical network stream...  

I'm no expert in this in any way... but I wonder if this particular vulnerability is because of 'centralized' control.
They form physically controllable points... rather than create a lattice of information with no actual "location."

Or am I just stoned or something...  ? 

You can jam any signal, currently Iran is jamming starlink using drones and rooftop access. I won't tell you exactly how but the way I know of is to overload all broadcast channels, similar to "keying" a walkie talkie on every channel and not talking. They are also disabling encrypted traffic communications and doing some other sneaky shit so limited in and nothing out. Been that way since february.

[Creaky]

Have you been to Israel? I have! You should go! You might have a better understanding!
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Israel is not David, Israel are not Gods chosen people anymore

[Maxmars]

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https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

Thank you...

And just to honestly reveal how much of an idiot I am....

Looking at this 'layout' made me ask

"What the hell security nightmare is this?" 

If those countries are still pinning their hopes on 'the cloud'... they are doomed. 

This is not 'information security minded architecture'  it's for throttling controls and interception.

[CriticalStinker]

Thank you...

And just to honestly reveal how much of an idiot I am....

Looking at this 'layout' made me ask

"What the hell security nightmare is this?" 

If those countries are still pinning their hopes on 'the cloud'... they are doomed. 

This is not 'information security minded architecture'  it's for throttling controls and interception.

I think it has an element of mutually assured destruction.

This will catch some flak, but one of the biggest things that helps peace is trade. Some of that trade isn't as physical, in this case it's information and services. The hacking threat happens all the time, there have been massive breaches over the past couple of years to really critical targets. You have state actors and rogue people looking for ransom money, they're not even above taking over hospitals to try and make a buck.

That's where the real concern is, because you may not even know if it happens, and they can get backdoors and take sensitive data. And this is where things can be a little bit more asymmetric too, because small nations like Iran have proven to be able to hack complex systems. Most state actors probably do this though, some of the famous ones were Israel with Stuxtnet and Pegasus. Stuxtnet was a virus made to hop from device to device and infect all along the way. It only became active when it sensed it was in the centrifuges Iran had enriching uranium. Then it would take physical control over and force the motors to spin in a way that destroyed themselves. There was a time that was on a lot of devices world wide because of how it had to make it's way underground by infecting any kind of device it came into contact with. Pegasus could infect any smartphone, and pretty much break through all security. The famous case with that is when they Saudi Arabia paid to use it and spy on Kashoggi before they killed him.

The whole system has shown it's flaws, but I guess it's impressive at the same time. Think of it this way, the first iPhone came out in 2007. That's how much of a leap we've taken in the last 20 years. But it's always going to be a game of cat and mouse. If quantum computing comes to fruition, it's going to effectively break all encryption, I don't think people realize the ramifications of that.

[FlyersFan]

If these awesome big flashy airstrikes on Iran you enjoy so much operate from those places, then they going to get hit

I haven't said I enjoy the attacks.   And I've given no indication that I do.   I have no feelings about them one way or another.  They are just what has to be done.  And no, the attacks on Iran are not coming from those places.  

You have repeatedly cheered the lying and deceit that assassinates entire families with air strikes and the entire leadership structure of 90  million people, so this faux outrage you peddle in an attempt to foment peoples emotions is fairly ineffective, at least for anyone who actually uses their brains and does not write like an immature toddler.

   Again ... I haven't cheered anything.  If I had, there would be nothing wrong with doing that.  I'm allowed.   But I haven't.   What I HAVE said is that it's a smart war move, because it is.  In war, you always go after the leadership.   Your post is nothing more than drivel.

Honestly, some of this rhetoric you post is almost coming off kind of desperate in a ways, its really beneath you if you ask me.

I didn't ask you ... and I have posted no 'rhetoric'.   

It is really simple, stop bombing Iran, and they will stop bombing Israel, and any neighboring states that host the assets for these strikes such as signals stations, radar domes, and air bases.

    Yeah .. the country that has continually said they are going to wipe Israel off the face of the map and destroy America, Israel and their allies are really NOT going to attack them.   Sure.   Their proxies Hamas and Hezbollah have been doing it for decades.  As soon as they got a nuke, Tel Aviv would be gone.  You are a riot!  

There is  a really simple solution to all this. Get back to diplomacy,

 Yeah ... cuz' Iran is so honest and they don't lie or cover their intentions at all.  The biggest sponsor of terrorism in the world is trustworthy.   Thanks for the laugh.