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(03-06-2026, 10:03 AM)SomeStupidName Wrote: They are working. It would have been nice to have the manufacturing back first but that was never going to happen the only to bring it back is through tariffs, it forces companies hands on this.
The tariffs crippled China's economy. Now we've cut off access to their oil markets which cripples them further. We win without a direct fight.
Chinas exports went up last year.
They get about 13% of their oil from Iran.
They are effected by the whole straight being shut down, but so is much of the world.
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(03-06-2026, 10:03 AM)SomeStupidName Wrote: They are working. It would have been nice to have the manufacturing back first but that was never going to happen the only to bring it back is through tariffs, it forces companies hands on this.
The tariffs crippled China's economy. Now we've cut off access to their oil markets which cripples them further. We win without a direct fight.
That assumption is incorrect, and has driven up cost across the board in the U.S. even though some MAGA cultists refuse to see it.
Now with the Iranian war, it's done more damage and is driving up costs world wide.
Even though I agree China needed to be stopped, just banging tariffs out wasn't the answer and only really effected and hurt the consumer. Now Trump is being forced to pay back his tariffs any way.
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(03-06-2026, 10:30 AM)Kwaka Wrote: Is self defense only for 'Gods chosen'?
I never said it was ONLY for them.
I said they have a right to it.
What Iran was doing wasn't 'self defense'.
As for your Epstein video.
Not everything has to do with Epstein.
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(03-06-2026, 10:14 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: The point is ... just because Thomas Jefferson used it in a letter
doesn't mean that it's in our founding documents or law.
What IS in our law is that there is no 'establishment of a religion
by the government'. And having people in to pray with you
isn't establishing a religion.
What I was trying to say is that Trump being Trump and grifting the way he does, he wouldn't think twice about using the situation to further his agenda and have no concerns about the consequences in allowing some in positions of power to see this as a "a fulfilment of prophecy".
Which is why I think there's some truth to the rumours of certain officers preaching about fighting on Gods behalf
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(03-06-2026, 10:17 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: The Iranian religious nutjobs run their country.
Our religious nutjobs aren't running our government.
And in Israel, their religious nutjobs aren't in charge either.
They have faith and patriotism (which in Israel overlap)
... but they aren't religious extremists.
The religious 'nutjobs' have more than their fair share of the influence though.
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(03-06-2026, 10:32 AM)CriticalStinker Wrote: Chinas exports went up last year.
They get about 13% of their oil from Iran.
They are effected by the whole straight being shut down, but so is much of the world.
The problem is the MAGA cultists refuse to see the 50+ years of capitalist exporting their manufacturing to places like China and India for pure profit. Tariffs have only harmed the consumer with increased costs as companies are still importing from China.
It takes years to build and retrain a manufacturing base and costs will still rise because of paying a 'fair' wage for products.
Insurance for ships passing through the straits have sky rocketed by over 100% which will also effect everyone and now some middle eastern countries are having to slow or shut down gas and oil production because they dont have the storage capacity
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(03-06-2026, 10:40 AM)Kurokage Wrote: What I was trying to say is that Trump being Trump and grifting the way he does, he wouldn't think twice about using the situation to further his agenda and have no concerns about the consequences in allowing some in positions of power to see this as a "a fulfilment of prophecy".
Which is why I think there's some truth to the rumours of certain officers preaching about fighting on Gods behalf
Like how Trump often gives a wink to Qanon
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(03-06-2026, 10:53 AM)Kurokage Wrote: The problem is the MAGA cultists refuse to see the 50+ years of capitalist exporting their manufacturing to places like China and India for pure profit. Tariffs have only harmed the consumer with increased costs as companies are still importing from China.
It takes years to build and retrain a manufacturing base and costs will still rise because of paying a 'fair' wage for products.
The bigger issue I see with the tariffs is we applied them to the whole world. Thats isolationist policy and it forces everyone to rebalance trade.
Tariffs are a very effective tool. When you come up with a plan that can be codified, it can have real gains. So if we tariffed China and other economic adversaries, we could have worked with allies to hold the line.
We’re seeing China actually benefit as they’re getting new deals which we saw with Canada.
People will say these are reciprocal tariffs, and in some cases they are. But in others we’re putting tariffs on countries because they have a VAT or value added tax, that is applied to all goods, not just US goods. So we’re hitting them with tariffs because they have a sales tax (just like many states).
Companies aren’t going to invest to move here when some of the tariffs are deemed illegal, and even if they weren’t a new administration would revisit them.
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(03-06-2026, 10:36 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: What Iran was doing wasn't 'self defense'.
Preparing for an assault on their nation? Another thing only Israel is allowed because.... They breach international law and cannot be trusted? 9/11 as one example.
With how it is like living near Israel with their unjustified attack, Iran has been justified in their ambitions.
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