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(03-04-2026, 05:41 PM)putnam6 Wrote: Yeah, the Iranian population seems rather distraught at the chance for another form of government
The region was destabilized since the 80s and its been Iran stirring the pot since before 10/7
It’s been destabilized since the 40’s or 50’s. It was just favorable to us between then and the 70’s.
But you have to ask yourself, at what point does the bombing make them more mad at us than their own government?
We can all agree Saddam was the devil reincarnated in earth. So it’s quite easy as a human to say “it’s good we took him out”. Glad the guy is dead too. But he was also tried by Iraqis and hung by them.
Hows Iraq now? Are they better? They more free? How about Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen? They better off and more free?
”Its different this time”: literally said every time.
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(03-04-2026, 05:30 PM)CriticalStinker Wrote: Yea? Who said that?
I’m supposed to believe they were on the cusp after not being able to do it for 28 years of Bibi telling me we had to attack Iran for them to save ourselves from mushroom clouds? But all of a sudden they are doing it in under a year while in financial ruins and political uprising?
So dramatic CS financial ruin political uprising...ffs
His mind was not for rent to any god or government
Always hopeful yet discontent, knows changes aren't permanent
But change is
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03-04-2026, 06:53 PM
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(03-04-2026, 05:58 PM)CriticalStinker Wrote: Hows Iraq now? Are they better? They more free? How about Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen? They better off and more free?
Would the world be better off without them? Is that what you are implying.
Could you say the same for the Ukraine. Hundreds of thousands dying for equally corrupt governments.
Anyway.
How many billions has Iran sank in trying to get a nuke to blackmail the world. Are the Iranian people any better for their government’s pursuit. I would say it was at the cost of the general Iranian citizen. I guess you could say the same for US military spending. But seems Europe and NATO likes when the US dumps money into them. With little regard for the tax payers in the US. Are the foreign personalities bitter on this site over having to foot more for their defense. Especially with crazy Putin?
At least US military spending goes into keeping shipping lanes open when the likes of Iran threatens shipping.
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Only 32 survivors have been rescued from roughly 180 sailors after the Iranian frigate IRIS Dena was struck and sunk in international waters about 25 miles south of Sri Lanka, Sri Lankan officials said. At least 80 bodies have been recovered so far.
U.S. War Secretary Pete Hegseth confirmed the U.S. Navy carried out the sinking on Tuesday night, March 3, saying an American attack submarine used an MK-48 heavyweight torpedo for the first torpedo sinking since World War II.
U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) reported that the vessel was one of over 20 Iranian naval ships targeted and destroyed since the start of the war as President Trump aims to “wipe out” Iran’s Navy.
The ship was far from the main theater of fighting and was returning to Iran after the Milan naval exercises in the Bay of Bengal, according to USNI News. It was struck after the United States and Israel launched an unprovoked war amid negotiations.
? Video of the sinking.
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/2029220134766756016
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(03-04-2026, 06:36 PM)putnam6 Wrote: So dramatic CS financial ruin political uprising...ffs
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Just looking at history broseph.
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(03-04-2026, 05:53 PM)CriticalStinker Wrote: Witkoff is the only source on that, and seeing as he has financial interests in the Middle East, I take what he says with a grain of salt.
But let's pretend for a second they did say that, it wouldn't make it true that they could.
There were reports that 300kg of 60% enriched uranium was hidden before the strikes in the summer. You can go back on this thread, it was a huge point of contention. People were saying fake news, the White House said fake news. So either they were wrong or lying. Kind of hard to trust them too. You see, you can distrust a foreign enemy/adversary at the same time as your own government.
So lets say they did have that 60% uranium. You can't make bombs with that, and one place I wouldn't disagree with the admin is that they did do a number on the facilities. B2 bombers with multiple of the biggest bunker busters on the planet landing on the same spot is going to set you back. In reality, it probably destroyed the facilities. If it didn't, it would have been years for them to even be able to access them, much less enrich further.
The reason it's harder now for countries to make nukes isn't because of science. We made nukes in a few years when we were the first to do it in the 40's. Many nations followed suit in no time. MIT graduates can make one in theory for a thesis.
What makes it hard is there isn't the same access to plutonium as there used to be. Uranium is much harder to make weapons grade. You have to have a far bigger enrichment operation, and get it to 90% enriched.
People are welcome to believe the same government that has lied to them every couple of years for Middle East conflicts. That's your right. But at some point you have to ask yourself if we're approaching the point of insanity trying the same thing over and over expecting different results. You can only go in and topple governments which results in deaths of millions for so long before you get a healthy population of people that hate you. You have to wonder, is it because of their extremist religion (could be, I'm not being sarcastic here), or the fact that we make our presence known every generation of humans there.
Witkoff was literally the one sent to handle the nuclear negotiations with Iran. Who better to listen to regarding the threat? Just so you’re aware, 60% uranium can become weapons grade in about 3 weeks.
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(03-04-2026, 07:04 PM)Vermilion Wrote: according to USNI News. It was struck after the United States and Israel launched an unprovoked war amid negotiations.
How long has Iran declared death and war on the US?
Either directly, or through proxies, how long has Iran attacked shipping?
Quote:'Imminent' or not, Iran has been at war with US for decades | OpinionIran's war with the United States did not begin last week or last year. It began in 1979, when revolutionaries seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran and held Americans hostage for 444 days.https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2026/03/03/iran-war-trump-us-hostage-crisis/88943943007/
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(03-04-2026, 06:53 PM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: Would the world be better off without them? Is that what you are implying.
Could you say the same for the Ukraine. Hundreds of thousands dying for equally corrupt governments.
Anyway.
How many billions has Iran sank in trying to get a nuke to blackmail the world. Are the Iranian people any better for their government’s pursuit. I would say it was at the cost of the general Iranian citizen. I guess you could say the same for US military spending. But seems Europe and NATO likes when the US dumps money into them. With little regard for the tax payers in the US. Are the foreign personalities bitter on this site over having to foot more for their defense. Especially with crazy Putin?
At least US military spending goes into keeping shipping lanes open when the likes of Iran threatens shipping.
Why would I be saying we'd be better off without the Iraqis? They were absolutely victims under Saddam, but what I'm saying is are they better off with our changes?
What do you mean the same for Ukraine? Like do you mean it's messed up? Sure. Did we waste resources there just to draw out bloodshed? Sure.
To the nuke part on Iran, we just disagree. They've cried wolf on that front a vast majority of my life. They declared victory in the summer and pretend its a crisis again in under a year.
History tells us their pretenses are bullshit.
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(03-04-2026, 07:21 PM)Moon68 Wrote: Witkoff was literally the one sent to handle the nuclear negotiations with Iran. Who better to listen to regarding the threat? Just so you’re aware, 60% uranium can become weapons grade in about 3 weeks.
It can be weapons grade in 3 weeks with absolutely ideal conditions.
We bombed all of their nuclear sites over the summer. Even if they weren't destroyed the entrances and airshafts were screwed.
Let's say they had a secret enrichment facility that somehow escaped all spies that even knew the location of their supreme leader... They're not doing that in anywhere close to months.
They've been weeks/months away most of my life. Don't try and feed me that after they had to start from scratch, or close to it.
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What people do not realize is that Iran could have, and would have, taken weapon-grade uranium, and/or plutonium and just placed it in a warhead, doesn't matter if it gets knocked down, it will irradiate the country.
You must develop the ability to be disliked in order to free yourself from the prison of other people's opinions.
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