Trump says he bombed Iran

[andy06shake]

Starmer is Commie no 1. he leads Commie party! And bombing the power plants holy smoke what's all this illega; kak about. You don't win wars acting like the British army with their hearts and minds bollocks and get chased out of Helmand and Afghan by a bunch of rocky smacked up farmers. You fight to win. Legal lol. You fight to win like Pete stated at the start. All that old hat late 20th C way of doing things is in the bin nowadays. You play these shmucks at their own game. They don't fight like a westerner, they are cruel, they behead children and stack up their heads in pyramids while attacking the West constantly, numerous attacks directed by Iran thwarted over the past decade here and all over the planet. As Pete stated. You fight to win these days.

Thats just a mashup of anger and bad takes now.

Keir Starmer(w@nker that he is) isn't a "commie," he leads a centre-left party.

Define communism, please? 

Modern war isn't "smash everything."

Laws and rules of engagement exist because indiscriminate force backfires spectacularly.

And Afghanistan wasn't lost to "farmers." 

There is a reason the place is called "The Graveyard of Empires."

"Fight to win" isn't code for abandoning reality....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(UK)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_war

[cherokeetroy]

Yeah, dude, it shouldn't have to be mentioned every time Trump speaks.

Besides, he is trying to motivate the rest of NATO and the Gulf states to participate.

Women's rights aren't exactly a top priority for them either, but unfettered access to the Strait of Hormuz is

If you don't think that freeing 40 million women from being treated like dogs is a positive outcome for the future of Iran thats on you.
 

I'd just like to see some actual evidence that liberating 40 million women is an objective of this war

If it's not a stated objective, your constant repetition of it is baseless 

Especially now that Trump is targeting infrastructure and civilian buildings & areas 

You can't bomb people " back to the Stone age" and liberate them at the same time

[andy06shake]

I'd just like to see some actual evidence that liberating 40 million women is an objective of this war

If it's not a stated objective, your constant repetition of it is baseless 

Especially now that Trump is targeting infrastructure and civilian buildings & areas 

You can't bomb people " back to the Stone age" and liberate them at the same time

Liberating them back to the Stone Age...

Oh dear.

[putnam6]

I'd just like to see some actual evidence that liberating 40 million women is an objective of this war

If it's not a stated objective, your constant repetition of it is baseless 

Especially now that Trump is targeting infrastructure and civilian buildings & areas 

You can't bomb people " back to the Stone age" and liberate them at the same time

I'd just like to talk about the actual war, instead of the same old tired dogma, but
 

Primary objective vs positive side effect

It's not kosher to spout regime change anymore.

Fact is, if the US touted that as a primary or secondary objective, there would be more squeals from China/Russia and the rapidly dwindling old regime in Iran. 

Of course, it's oil, commerce, money, power, and control, etc.
You have to have that to motivate the MIC and others

It doesn't preclude getting a widerange of positive secondary societal benefits, short and long term

Regardless, none of those bennies will be obvious till the war concludes, and the civilian governance has taken shape.

thats step 1000, we are in the low 100s

[cherokeetroy]

I'd just like to talk about the actual war, instead of the same old tired dogma, but
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Primary objective vs positive side effect

It's not kosher to spout regime change anymore.

Fact is, if the US touted that as a primary or secondary objective, there would be more squeals from China/Russia and the rapidly dwindling old regime in Iran. 

Of course, it's oil, commerce, money, power, and control, etc.
You have to have that to motivate the MIC and others

It doesn't preclude getting a widerange of positive secondary societal benefits, short and long term

Regardless, none of those bennies will be obvious till the war concludes, and the civilian governance has taken shape.

thats step 1000, we are in the low 100s

Let's get real

Trump doesn't give one F about Iranian women 

Anymore than he gives one F about Epstein victims

it's a false narrative 

No one said there's going to be civilian governance

Trump's already claimed a new regime is installed 

I don't know if that's true but if it is, regime doesnt sound Democratic

[cherokeetroy]

The pilot was rescued 

"JUST IN - A second U.S. plane, an A-10 Warthog, was downed by Iran today near the Strait of Hormuz — NYT"

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/04/03/...-trump-oil

"The A-10 Warthog attack plane went down near the Strait of Hormuz about the same time that an Air Force F-15E was shot down over Iran, the officials said.   In that incident, one crew member was rescued and search-and-rescue operators are looking for the second airman. "

[CriticalStinker]

I'd just like to talk about the actual war, instead of the same old tired dogma, but
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Primary objective vs positive side effect

It's not kosher to spout regime change anymore.

Fact is, if the US touted that as a primary or secondary objective, there would be more squeals from China/Russia and the rapidly dwindling old regime in Iran. 

Of course, it's oil, commerce, money, power, and control, etc.
You have to have that to motivate the MIC and others

It doesn't preclude getting a widerange of positive secondary societal benefits, short and long term

Regardless, none of those bennies will be obvious till the war concludes, and the civilian governance has taken shape.

thats step 1000, we are in the low 100s

Brother, you’re the one that keeps on bringing that up and virtue signaling that the rest of us don’t care because we’re critical of the war when that’s not even a stated objective.

You can’t accuse people of not caring about human rights when that’s not even why we’re there. 

Unfortunately Iran isn’t the only country with bad human rights.

But what makes it truly wild is we’ve said in no uncertain terms we’re willing to cut power to a desert country before the summer. No cooling, no water, hospitals buckle. So I don’t see how anything we’re doing is saving the people of Iran.

Make the case that their regime is a threat to the region and the world, I’d argue the latter. But this isn’t a humanitarian mission.

[putnam6]

Let's get real

Trump doesn't give one F about Iranian women 

Anymore than he gives one F about Epstein victims

it's a false narrative 

No one said there's going to be civilian governance

Trump's already claimed a new regime is installed 

I don't know if that's true but if it is, regime doesnt sound Democratic

Where did I say I was talking for Trump?

Ive routinely said I don't listen to what Trump says

I watch what happens when the left loses thier shit after he speaks, shake my head,
and listen to Rubio Bessent Miller Vance, etc.


History has shown that Kissinger was the one pushing buttons during the Vietnam War.

Dick Cheney in Iraq and Afghanistan

Most Presidents had their button man/men who understood and could discuss a situation in intricate detail.

[cherokeetroy]

Where did I say I was talking for Trump?

Ive routinely said I don't listen to what Trump says

I watch what happens when the left loses thier shit after he speaks, shake my head,
and listen to Rubio Bessent Miller Vance, etc.


History has shown that Kissinger was the one pushing buttons during the Vietnam War.

Dick Cheney in Iraq and Afghanistan

Most Presidents had their button man/men who understood and could discuss a situation in intricate detail.

You might not listen to Trump

But the rest of the world does

[SomeStupidName]

Brother, you’re the one that keeps on bringing that up and virtue signaling that the rest of us don’t care because we’re critical of the war when that’s not even a stated objective.

You can’t accuse people of not caring about human rights when that’s not even why we’re there. 

Unfortunately Iran isn’t the only country with bad human rights.

But what makes it truly wild is we’ve said in no uncertain terms we’re willing to cut power to a desert country before the summer. No cooling, no water, hospitals buckle. So I don’t see how anything we’re doing is saving the people of Iran.

Make the case that their regime is a threat to the region and the world, I’d argue the latter. But this isn’t a humanitarian mission.

A desert country that existed before ac, running water and hospitals... The real problem is they are assholes and we don't want them around anymore, they want us dead and actively pursue that goal why wouldn't we smash them. I don't care if you don't like or agree with that but that is what is.