Trump says he bombed Iran

[cherokeetroy]

Trump: "Iran is defeated"...

 Secret Codes and Yuan Fees Get Ships Through Iran’s Hormuz Tollbooth

Vessels wanting to transit the strategic waterway need to be from friendly countries, and some have to pay fees in Chinese currency or crypto before being escorted through the strait.

Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is exerting control over shipping through the Strait of Hormuz, extracting tolls from vessels passing through and giving preferential treatment to ships from countries it deems friendly.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...ckout=true

[DBCowboy]

Weird.

Here I thought wearing your IDF uniform in the halls of Congress did exactly just this.

I'm American, but if I weren't, wearing the IDF would be a source of pride.

[SteamyAmerican]

I'm American, but if I weren't, wearing the IDF would be a source of pride.

I don’t doubt that. I mean if you served in it. Otherwise I think that stolen valor and stuff.

But as a sitting U.S. congressman it’s unbecoming. Just as it would be if anyone were to wear their uniform that wasn’t that of US Serviceman.

Kinda like flying any other flag in your office or press conferences other than Old Glory.

[DBCowboy]

I don’t doubt that. I mean if you served in it. Otherwise I think that stolen valor and stuff.

But as a sitting U.S. congressman it’s unbecoming. Just as it would be if anyone were to wear their uniform that wasn’t that of US Serviceman.

Kinda like flying any other flag in your office or press conferences other than Old Glory.

Then call out those in Minnesota flying the Somali flag.

Jesus!

[SteamyAmerican]

Then call out those in Minnesota flying the Somali flag.

Jesus!

I believe did exactly just that.

Not sure what you read.

Carry on.

[CriticalStinker]

Trump: "Iran is defeated"...

 Secret Codes and Yuan Fees Get Ships Through Iran’s Hormuz Tollbooth

Vessels wanting to transit the strategic waterway need to be from friendly countries, and some have to pay fees in Chinese currency or crypto before being escorted through the strait.

Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is exerting control over shipping through the Strait of Hormuz, extracting tolls from vessels passing through and giving preferential treatment to ships from countries it deems friendly.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...ckout=true

1-2 million per ship that can carry 1m~ barrels of oil adds about a dollar per barrel. That's assuming insurance prices even out there in the strait. 

If we actually do hit all of their electric plants I think the Red Sea would come into play too and make things hurt real bad for the world short term until Iran falls, if they do (I imagine they would if we really did that). 

But most nations that have nuclear weapons have a public strategy like if you nuke us we nuke you. I don't think Iran has nukes, but they still do have the capacity to hit pipelines and oil facilities that could effect supply for years to come (we already have supply effect for years, but something that can probably be managed).

[EXETER]

I don't think we should tie our boat to the ME, but I have no desire to tie our same boat to the EU that mocks, insults, abuses, and uses us.

No, they don't.  

I don't know what your experience is, but I started traveling internationally for both business and pleasure about 40 years ago. That's close to half my life. Most of that was to Europe but some of it was to Asia, Central and South America, Australia, Indonesia, the high Arctic in Canada, etc., etc.

All totaled, I've probably spent about 5 years abroad in those locations, probably about 4 of those in Europe.  I think that's a reasonably good statistical sample. I am a professional scientist/engineer and have developed many, many friendships and professional colleague relationships from residents from all of those nations, over the years.  I can honestly say that I have never, ever received any mockery, insults, or abuse directed to me as an individual or as a symbolic representative of America.  

Seriously, never.  

This idea that French waiters in Paris will insult Americans for no reason is total bullshit in my experience.  I have found that if you treat others with respect and consideration, they will reciprocate 99.9% of the time.  I once walked into a random bar in the South of France, lost, and asked for directions in pidgin French.  They asked where I was from and I said the US and they acted as if I had just personally landed on the beach in Normandy and helped to liberate Paris.  They offered me free drinks, which I had to decline, because I was driving. I once got lost in a German village and a local resident came over and asked me where I was going.  I replied in my pidgin German.  He stopped what he was doing and got in his car and led me for 20 minutes to my destination.  

My experiences have been the exact opposite of mockery, insult, and abuse.

But for some reason, the whole Trump-MAGA cult is completely caught up in the psychopathology of grievance, resentment, and retribution based on an entirely false narrative that "foreigners" are fucking us over and ripping us off.  The rest of the world faces exactly the same issues that we do.  They have to get up in the morning, go to work, pay the bills, etc., etc. They have to live with what providence has given them or not given them in the way of resources and challenges.  They engage in business deals with us based on the idea that they have to make a living and so do we.  That's healthy.  That's how it should be.  That's not exploitative. There's no reason on God's green Earth that Americans should expect to come out on top in every business deal. 

We are particularly blessed to have developed deep and cordial relationships with allies whose cultures and nations have given our nation birth-predominantly Europe, but also including Latin America, Asia, and others.

The fact that Donald Trump and his cult followers would give all of that up based on a fictional grievance is frankly mentally ill.  

Our bonds with Europe and other allies that we have developed over the last 80 years are a million times more valuable than Trump.  

And by the way, have you given any consideration to the practical consequences of your irrational hatreds?  The US and the EU are cross-invested in each other to the tune of around 50% of our GDPs.  The EU is the US' largest trading partner by far--about 3 times larger than China. We've already tied our boat to theirs. If we harm their economies it harms our economies about as much, and vice versa.

Dump Trump and keep NATO.

[cherokeetroy]

The message to Iranians has gone from:

"Make Iran Great Again"
"Help is on the way!"
"Rise Up!"


To:

https://x.com/PeteHegseth/status/2039520...45622?s=20


Who are the terrorists and terrorist sympathizers

[Astyanax]

We see you, we know the score. You think you are on the right side of things and you're not.

‘We’?

As Tonto said the last time he spoke to the Lone Ranger, ‘What do you mean “we”, white man?’

You have stated repeatedly on this thread that it would be worth destroying half the world to maintain US geopolitical supremacy and your precious American lifestyle. So tell us, please... just who are the ‘we’ that agree with you on this? Who else wants to destroy half the world to preserve American geopolitical dominance and $2 gasoline?

Israel? Maybe, just as long as you keep doing what they tell you.

Who else?

All the other countries that Trump has attacked with his tariffs – that is to say, the whole world? Heh heh.

America’s most loyal allies, whom Trump and his administration have bullied, insulted and threatened? You must be joking.

The United States of America itself? I hate to break it to you, sweetie, but most Americans hate this war.

The Republican Party? Plenty of Republicans, from the Vice President down, are registering their disapproval or at least doing their best to distance themselves from it.

MAGA? All the people who voted for America First and no more foreign wars? Well, most are probably still sunk deep in their Messianic delusions, but a sizeable chunk of them are getting seriously worried.

Chum, the only people in your club are deluded, ignorant, bloodthirsty fanatics completely untethered to reality. I ask again: what does that make you?

Just listen to yourself raving:
 

if we want to be left alone and live our lives in peace here in the United States we would have to forcefully instruct the world on how to properly behave themselves.

We are running the world.

We do control the world even if you don't like it.

They would all sell us as slaves if the had the chance.

They had to be put down like dogs

​​​​​When terrorist hide behind babies that doesn't mean you stop going after terrorist that just emboldens the terrorist, you kill both.

If we have to bomb the shit out of Iran every few months then that works too.

I don't care because the ends justify the means or in simple terms the juice is worth the squeeze.

You might want to live under sharia law but I would rather destroy the planet then live like that.

They are animals and now they are dying like dogs.

The way I see it I would hope if I was being held hostage that my government would aim the nuke directly at my location.

Your geopolitical understanding appears to be that of a psychotic pre-schooler.
 

The US has done more for the world then any other nation and has lifted more regular people out of poverty and oppression then anyone else, but we do ask you live certain way and it's not really that big of an ask.

The leaders in china and nk are pedophiles as well.

And my favourite...
 

we always power through

 

Stymied in Korea. Defeated in Cuba. Defeated in Vietnam and the rest of Indo-China. Defeated in Iraq. Defeated in Afghanistan. Powering through, eh? Powering yourselves into the bloody ground, more like it. 

America under Donald Trump looks exactly like your avatar: a solitary, hysterical, out-of-shape has-been flailing at phantoms and striking nothing but air. Blowing holes in the ground in Iran and achieving Sweet Fanny Adams – one month in and the Straits are still closed, energy prices are still sky-high, munitions are raining down on Israel and the Gulf States, and the Iranian regime is still very much in place and appears to be growing in strength and defiance.

The Orange Emperor and his cultists have destroyed all the credit your country once had with the world. They have done it in an incredibly short time. No-one thought the collapse would come so soon, so suddenly. Who would have thought the Iranian regime, of all people, would have been the ones to destroy US geopolitical dominance? And after you have attacked, bullied, insulted and threatened the entire world, who do you think is going to come to your aid now?

Your country will never recover from this. Sadly, it will take decades for the rest of us to recover, as well.

[Creaky]

  You again.

Easily googled.

AI Google Assist - Iran's morality police, known as Gasht-e Ershad (Guidance Patrol), are a specialized unit within the Law Enforcement Command established in 2005 to enforce Islamic dress codes and Sharia law. They primarily target women for "improper" hijab usage, resulting in public confrontations, detentions, and fines. 

Guidance Patrol

NPR Irans Morality Police

And an article about how women in Iran are bucking the system.  It is tolerated more in Tehran, but in other parts of Iran it is still enforced.   
Iranintl.com

You can search any Iranian city on YouTube to clear up your nonsense 
can search any US city to see the mess, not nonsense
drink the coolaid all you want
believe whatever your told and you do you over and over again