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(03-21-2026, 02:18 PM)putnam6 Wrote: Yeah, Stinker pointing out one point to Annee, doesn't mean thats the only or even the most salient point. Only that it's a point that should resonate with any world without borders feminist, if it doesn't, one should question why American women have basic rights we want to deny Iranian women just a chance at.
Trying to free the people of Iran is just one positive bone of contention here; it's not the only one.
I can list the other positives for you if you need help understanding
I know that wouldn't be the sole reason.
But I'm saying I don't even think it's one of the reasons. Again, we support many countries that have women's rights issues there. I don't think any of them are as bad, but it's not by much they're better.
Also, many people in our governments inner circle do business directly with those nations. I don't think it's top on their minds.
To further my point, regime change doesn't sound like it's a main priority, or even something that is required to end this war... So I'm failing to see how we would be liberating the women if that's not even on the table.
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If the regime withdrew...
I suspect that even though it could represent a restoration on freedoms lost by Iranian women...
The roots of the mistreatments of people are hardly ever 'extinguished' by war... usually only the mechanical empowerment given to restrict freedoms get 'reset' afterward... maybe... depending on 'activists' (heaven help us!) and good old people actually speaking... not being 'spoken at.'
It's not that I don't believe in the importance of the "aspect" of this event... just that we can't expect that to motivate any nation who is - by nature - dismissive of a female citizen class.
Popularly referred to as "patriarchal," it is not.
Patriarchs uplift, they don't oppress...
that would contrary to the point of patriarchy
cruelty is not stewardship.
The treatment of women in the region (especially) is centered in a cultural legacy of slave hood.
That such a thing exists as a person with no personal value.
Ever hear anyone comment about the 'nature' of "slave religions?"
It's not something I want to "OT" about.
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(03-21-2026, 02:27 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Perhaps he could mansplain to you why we shouldn't bomb them too?
“WAR IS NOT HEALTHY FOR CHILDREN AND OTHER LIVING THINGS”
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03-21-2026, 03:13 PM
This post was last modified: 03-21-2026, 03:18 PM by putnam6. 
(03-21-2026, 02:43 PM)CriticalStinker Wrote: I know that wouldn't be the sole reason.
But I'm saying I don't even think it's one of the reasons. Again, we support many countries that have women's rights issues there. I don't think any of them are as bad, but it's not by much they're better.
Also, many people in our governments inner circle do business directly with those nations. I don't think it's top on their minds.
To further my point, regime change doesn't sound like it's a main priority, or even something that is required to end this war... So I'm failing to see how we would be liberating the women if that's not even on the table.
We see things differently CS I don't think we are going to see eye to eye on this situation.
I said on page 96 or 192 , depending on whether you are signed in or not, while I'm lukewarm on the war
BUT
I can easily rationalize that if this war even gives Iran a chance to be a less oppressive version of itself, it's still worth it.
The main goal is to lessen the nuclear and missile/drone threat and remove the stranglehold on the Hormuz Strait, which is currently a work in progress, seemingly well ahead of schedule
BUT
Any rational war analysts would see Uncle Sammy and Uncle Schlomoe at the point 3 weeks in is on a much better trajectory than the current Ayatollah(s) in Iran
His mind was not for rent to any god or government
Always hopeful yet discontent, knows changes aren't permanent
But change is
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03-21-2026, 03:35 PM
This post was last modified: 03-21-2026, 03:39 PM by putnam6. 
(03-21-2026, 03:08 PM)ANNEE Wrote: “WAR IS NOT HEALTHY FOR CHILDREN AND OTHER LIVING THINGS”
Go, tell it on the mountain
Ask Sara Ebrahimi... and check her responses
Oh, you can't get her opinion because she's dead..
At the direct hand of a regime, you want to write a terse letter
asking them to quit instead.
Quote:Sara Ebrahimi (also referred to as Sara Darya Ebrahimi or Darya Ebrahimi in some reports) was an Iranian woman who became a symbol of the regime's brutality during anti-government protests in Iran in January 2026.
She was born in 1980 in Nahavand and was a mother (with reports mentioning a son). During protests in Naziabad, Tehran, on or around January 8, 2026, surveillance footage and witness accounts show her being chased by security forces (including plainclothes agents associated with the Basij or IRGC).
She fell, was kicked in the head and face, struck on the back of the head with a machete (or similar blade), dragged away, and reportedly shot (accounts vary between shots to the head/abdomen or severe beating leading to death).
She was taken to multiple hospitals (four reportedly refused admission), eventually treated at a fifth, but died from severe hemorrhage, traumatic brain injury, and blood loss.
Opposition sources and activists claim her body was taken by authorities, her family pressured/blackmailed (including arresting her brother and forcing false statements), and she was buried secretly at night under threats.Her story went viral through circulating CCTV videos and social media, with many mourning her as a courageous protester killed for demanding freedom.
Hashtags like #SaraEbrahimi, #IranMassacre, and #IranRevolution2026 spread widely, framing her as a martyr in the ongoing struggle against the Islamic Republic.
Note: Official regime-linked sources (like Tasnim News) have disputed opposition narratives, claiming she was killed by "rioters" or in unrelated circumstances, but these are widely viewed as propaganda by critics and human rights reports.
Her death highlighted the extreme violence used against protesters, including denial of medical care, and fueled calls for international attention to Iran's human rights abuses.
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But change is
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(03-21-2026, 03:13 PM)putnam6 Wrote: The main goal is to lessen the nuclear and missile/drone threat and remove the stranglehold on the Hormuz Strait, which is currently a work in progress, seemingly well ahead of schedule
Is it? From what/who’s perspective?
Let’s be reminded America is the only country that dropped a nuclear bomb on another country.
Which makes us the “logical” choice to be the nuclear police?
That is just flat out fact. Not anti-American.
What is all this really about?
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(03-21-2026, 03:40 PM)ANNEE Wrote: Is it? From what/who’s perspective?
Let’s be reminded America is the only country that dropped a nuclear bomb on another country.
Which makes us the “logical” choice to be the nuclear police?
That is just flat out fact. Not anti-American.
What is all this really about?
Such an ever-widening conspiratorial perspective.
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But change is
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(03-21-2026, 03:52 PM)putnam6 Wrote: Such an ever-widening conspiratorial perspective.
[Video: https://youtu.be/KekChFdIe00?si=56eNPWgKCatuGJTQ]
I stated fact. No conspiracy. Asked a logical question.
You respond with a video — referencing conspiracy.
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Multiple injuries in Dimona and mass casualties declared in Arad
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(03-21-2026, 03:35 PM)putnam6 Wrote: Go, tell it on the mountain
Ask Sara Ebrahimi... and check her responses
Oh, you can't get her opinion because she's dead..
At the direct hand of a regime, you want to write a terse letter
asking them to quit instead.
Biden said, "STOP".
You must develop the ability to be disliked in order to free yourself from the prison of other people's opinions.
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