Trump says he bombed Iran

[xuenchen]

Iran launches missiles at US military bases in Qattar.
Rainbows
Jane

Oh Iran is really asking for it now 

[CriticalStinker]

Iran launches missiles at US military bases in Qattar.
Rainbows
Jane

This is how we go from just a bombing run to full scale war.

The narrative will be that it was unavoidable.

[xuenchen]

And now you can have the escalating War you have been drooling over.

BBC News - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn7ze4vm...cationIran launches missiles at US bases in Qatar and Iraq in response to strikes, state media reports - live updates - BBC News

[xuenchen]

Here's an article from Iran: 

Op. Herald of Victory: Iran pounds US military base in Qatar in retaliatory operation
 

 
Iranian armed forces have launched a missile barrage at American military bases in Qatar in a retaliatory operation a day after Iranian nuclear sites were targeted by US bombers.
 
In a statement following the successful retaliatory operation, Iranian armed forces said the operation came in response to the “blatant military aggression by the criminal regime of the United States” against the nuclear facilities of the Islamic Republic.
 
The statement described the US aggression as “a clear violation of international law” and added that under the directive of the Supreme National Security Council and the command of the Khatam al-Anbiya Central Headquarters (PBUH), the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC), using the sacred code “Ya Aba Abdillah al-Hussain (AS),” launched a powerful and devastating missile strike on the Al Udeid base in Qatar.
 
This base serves as the headquarters of the US Air Force Command and represents the most strategic asset of the American military in West Asia.
 
 

[putnam6]

I don’t think anyone is suggesting the bill is the reason, merely that’s it’s being parlayed now. That’s not just speculation either, he had a truth social talking about how the strike helped unify the party, and they should focus on the bill.

We don’t know what intel made him strike Iran, we don’t know where it came from, or much else other than the Admin said Iran was weeks away. We don’t know if the intel was US, or Israeli. We can only read in between the lines, and Trump said our intel community’s assessment three months ago was, in his words, wrong.

As JD pointed out, things can change in three months. But we don’t know if that was internal or not that picked up on any changing environment.

If people are supportive of all of this, it’s my opinion they’re operating on trust. To some extent I suppose that’s always the case with the government, but for some of us who are more skeptical and critical, we have a right to be so. Every admin in my lifetime has lied at some point. Some of them did so for war. So it’s not much to ask to say make a case to the American people more than “trust me”. Because frankly, I don’t. And even if I did, I don’t want that to be a standard going forward. Maybe you trust Trump, but there will be someone down the road that you don’t. That’s why power isn’t supposed to be consolidated to one person, without hurdles to go through when making such massive decisions. We’ve talked about this isn’t the first time, but using former admins who many agree were wrong doesn’t justify current actions, IMO.

As always, I dig your posts, they are well thought out and reasoned... 

Just because I can rationalize the decision, it doesn't mean I agree.

I would have waited, but

In a world where Iran has nuclear weapons, Im not worried about the future, I'd be worried about the present.

Ive been influenced deeply by the death and destruction since 10/7, all sides. Im sick of it...

Absent knowing how close they were, I choose not to believe Trump's words, but I believe my rationale, that he wouldn't have done something so domestically and internationally polarizing if he wasn't convinced the risk was there. 

Sure, he could be lied to by the intelligence and his cabinet, and I do not trust Israel, but if the military and various intelligence members concurred with Israel? 

I can easily rationalize that the decision was made with proper and considerable consternation and concern.

Where Im I calling for censorship and eliminating free thought here? 

I happen to disagree with some of the particular free thoughts presented here, in a particularly demonstrative way.

[Oldcarpy2]

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Sorry, T&C's prevent me to giving that bollox the response you deserve.

Gotta love war loving keyboard warriors...or not.

[SomeStupidName]

After Trump bombing a country without any deterrent, such as a nuke, I would think every other nation in that area would be lining up to start making their own nukes...as a deterrent for future bombings like the one that just occurred. Learn a lesson from N. Korea, get a nuke, then Trump wants to talk only.

It's called the deterrence theory.

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I get it you don't live here and don't care that the Iranians that are building nukes have a death to America policy, but as an American I can assure you I don't want them to have a nuke and my country has the ability to make that happen. You can complain all you like about that but we'll keep doing whatever we want.

[Oldcarpy2]

I get it you don't live here and don't care that the Iranians that are building nukes have a death to America policy, but as an American I can assure you I don't want them to have a nuke and my country has the ability to make that happen. You can complain all you like about that but we'll keep doing whatever we want.

But, where is the evidence for these WMDs?

We've been here before, you know?

[matafuchyou]

Iran launches missiles at US military bases in Qattar.
Rainbows
Jane

and intercepted. Posturing. It is not going to end well for Iran and their proxies.

[CriticalStinker]

As always, I dig your posts, they are well thought out and reasoned... 

Just because I can rationalize the decision, it doesn't mean I agree.

I would have waited, but

In a world where Iran has nuclear weapons, Im not worried about the future, I'd be worried about the present.

Ive been influenced deeply by the death and destruction since 10/7, all sides. Im sick of it...

Absent knowing how close they were, I choose not to believe Trump's words, but I believe my rationale, that he wouldn't have done something so domestically and internationally polarizing if he wasn't convinced the risk was there. 

Sure, he could be lied to by the intelligence and his cabinet, and I do not trust Israel, but if the military and various intelligence members concurred with Israel? 

I can easily rationalize that the decision was made with proper and considerable consternation and concern.

Where Im I calling for censorship and eliminating free thought here? 

I happen to disagree with some of the particular free thoughts presented here, in a particularly demonstrative way.

Thanks for the compliment, and the sentiment is shared.

I don’t think you ever called for anything against speech.

If I implied that was somehow happening, it would be of my opinion the administration would do it through messaging like they did with Iraq. As far as Trump only doing something because he felt they were dangerously close, the American government has proven many times that is rarely the case. Usually there are reasons that aren’t shared with the public, because it would look bad. And we typically find out when it’s too late, and we’re fully involved.

The problem with the situation around the intel is we just don’t know. And it appears now that things may escalate again.

The real rub is that the strikes may not have been worth it. It seems like the Iranians moved out the material, something western intelligence hasn’t seemed to deny. And there are questions on it the site is actually destroyed.

We can’t know if Iran was close, the government doesn’t seem interested in sharing with the public the intel they had. Hell, I’ve read only a handful of representatives have been read in, and they are political loyalists. What we can assume now though, is if Iran wasn’t close, it will be a high priority now.

This could be like Ukraine for us, where Russia and China just provide material support for Iran while we waste a lot of our resources (hopefully just material, and not Human Resources). And this would be our top of the line stuff, not hand me downs.