Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[RickyD]

Willy touches on a lot of the points I have been making on the subject for some time now. Lots of sources from the west admitting these points I have been making are correct. Even people currently fighting or involved on the ground in Ukraine are telling him similar. Well worth the watch if you want a more realistic view of the current situation in Ukraine.

[sahgwa]

"russian propaganda balblabla"
yes 
1. don't shoot the messenger.
2. always good to read both sides

https://www.rt.com/russia/618275-trump-g...n-ukraine/

US President Donald Trump is being misled about the Ukraine conflict by those pushing Washington toward supporting the Kiev regime and taking a more aggressive stance on Russia, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has said.

“The information he [Trump] is given is filtered through a sieve, which is prepared by those who want to draw America into more aggressive action against Russia, in support of the Kiev regime,” Lavrov added.

Last week, Trump and Putin held a telephone conversation during which they discussed the prospects of a peaceful resolution to the Ukraine conflict. Both leaders characterized the call as productive.

[putnam6]

"russian propaganda balblabla"
yes 
1. don't shoot the messenger.
2. always good to read both sides

https://www.rt.com/russia/618275-trump-g...n-ukraine/

US President Donald Trump is being misled about the Ukraine conflict by those pushing Washington toward supporting the Kiev regime and taking a more aggressive stance on Russia, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has said.

“The information he [Trump] is given is filtered through a sieve, which is prepared by those who want to draw America into more aggressive action against Russia, in support of the Kiev regime,” Lavrov added.

Last week, Trump and Putin held a telephone conversation during which they discussed the prospects of a peaceful resolution to the Ukraine conflict. Both leaders characterized the call as productive.

Sabotage?  


Special Kherson Cat 

@bayraktar_1love
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Fire and Explosions Reported at Russian Defense Plant in Saint Petersburg A major fire broke out at the Avangard defense plant in the Kalininsky district of Saint Petersburg. Thick black smoke and open flames were seen coming from upper floors of the facility on Kondratyevsky Avenue. Eyewitnesses reported a strong smell of burning and heard explosions before the fire started. The plant is known to manufacture components for Russian air defense systems, including radars for the S-400 and Tor systems.

[Freeborn]

Quite a few people still desperately seeking to absolve Putin of all blame and to demonise Zelensky.
All whilst refusing to criticise Trump who has been massively mugged off by Putin.

I know the vast majority want this war and the killing to stop, that is as it should be, but capitulation to all of Putin's demands is not the answer.
Appeasement never works.
Neither does Isolationism.

[putnam6]

Quite a few people still desperately seeking to absolve Putin of all blame and to demonise Zelensky.
All whilst refusing to criticise Trump who has been massively mugged off by Putin.

I know the vast majority want this war and the killing to stop, that is as it should be, but capitulation to all of Putin's demands is not the answer.
Appeasement never works.
Neither does Isolationism.

Yeah, well, spending billions and sending stockpiles of NATO weapons and pretending Ukraine is currently worthy of NATO membership while dancing on the precipice of worldwide war for 3 years did nothing but produce a meat grinder of a stalemate. 

What we post and ponder here on this smallish message board doesn't have ANY measurable EFFECT on ANY actual complex situation in real life. Beyond a few individuals finding a new diet, entertainment, and occasionally learning something new, let's not make DI more than it is.

As spectacular as the drone operation was, and it's still not likely to change the trajectory or add one day to this clusterf--- of a war. And it's Ukraine's grandest achievement beyond thier dogged resistance and fortitude.

The situation is more complex, One can easily want for Ukraine to win and expel the Russians, I certainly do, while knowing that to accomplish the task will take more troops, weapons, and logistical capabilities than Ukraine possesses. 

Simply put, if America was going to checkmate all unjust military aggression worldwide, why go through the expense and commitment with NATO, especially after the 90s, when fighting wars had changed from the early days of NATO's inception?

[sahgwa]

I am always of a perhaps too-deep conspiracy mind ,and the depletion of Russian and Ukrainian men sometimes makes me think that the real underlying point of this conflict is to deplete the gene pool and take all the Slavic women, and then colonise the land with Bayersanto crap.
Not a political , territorial, or military spat so much as a pure genetic life resource thing.

[putnam6]

I am always of a perhaps too-deep conspiracy mind ,and the depletion of Russian and Ukrainian men sometimes makes me think that the real underlying point of this conflict is to deplete the gene pool and take all the Slavic women, and then colonise the land with Bayersanto crap.
Not a political , territorial, or military spat so much as a pure genetic life resource thing.

 There were going to be huge contracts for the rebuild, still will be, but there would likely be political and social terraforming activities too. 

Nothing wrong with it per se, but John, Lindsey, and Victoria just stole Putin's idea, and he was in the middle of terraforming it himself, and Victoria, John, and Lindsey wanted to do the terraforming

[sahgwa]

 There were going to be huge contracts for the rebuild, still will be, but there would likely be political and social terraforming activities too. 

Nothing wrong with it per se, but we just stole Putin's idea, and he was in the middle of terraforming it himself, and Victoria, John, and Lindsey wanted to do the terraforming

Ukrainian singles want to meet you.
Tanya is 27 and studying chemistry.

[putnam6]

Ukrainian singles want to meet you.
Tanya is 27 and studying chemistry.

Haha, maybe Tanya's mother,

From life experiences, Eastern European women I have known personally are amazing. intelligent as hell, well read, not afraid of hard work, rarely complain, and I love their accents.

[putnam6]

Zlatti71

@Zlatti_71
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They are running out of important AD… Pistorius was reminded of Zelensky's wishes. The minister is not thrilled. - Zelensky has been persistently asking for additional Patriot systems for several months. Do you think you can help him? - Germany has given away a quarter of its own Patriot systems. By the way, I told my colleague this very clearly last week: we are not in a position to give away even more systems.