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02-17-2025, 07:07 AM
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(02-17-2025, 04:49 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Grok can only spew out a mish mash of opinion not facts from the opinions not facts fed into Grok about hypotheticals, but Grok shows us how naive we really are in regards to dictators? What isn't being taken into account is the KGB way of doing things, then sprinkle in violent psychopathic tendencies to keep power and money at all costs with no regard for the peoples' lives of his regime, then we end up with different informational offerings.
But with historical facts and statistics, Grok offers it up nicely IMO.
Nobody knows what 'Above Top Secret' weapons are in space, because that's classified above top secret and we all know where that will take us...down the rabbit hole.
Don't the American people want Trump and U.S. military boots on the ground in Europe and elsewhere to walk away and stop the bleeding of money for war efforts not on their soil, but are quite happy to keep selling weapons to others? That's not peace in the true sense.
It's all about power and money for the elite few and the rest of us can take a hike into the battlefield, like I keep repeating.
You're kind of all over the place exploring multiple tangents, it's early here no coffee yet I'll see if I can catch up
Funny how you cling to AI on your facts but it has no further usefulness in the speculative realm which is exactly how hundreds of companies are using AI
including the MIC global entities that have grown beyond presidential and governmental oversight since the 50s.
Do you expect Trump to come in within a month and shut it down?
This isn't to say suggest or infer I trust Trump and friends explicitly, just that I trust them thousands of times more so than any of the esteemed candidates the DNC threw at us these last 3 elections.
All Im saying is in my opinion you are wrong and are obsessed with Trump and way to dismissive of corporate influence in DC not only from the aerospace and defense sectors but from healthcare, Tech, and other corporate-based lobbies not to mention special interest groups.
Hell the DNC and the media is fighting tooth and nail on the areas DOGE is trying to shut down, but in 30 days OMB is going to slap down the politically protected and entrenched MIC Lockheed, General Dynamics Northrop Grumman, etc. Im not sure it's possible, thier former executives are interspersed throughout our governmental departments and agencies so many that common logic suggests not all of them have our best interests at heart. These are executives who look at the financial bottom lines and listen to the shareholders, and don't give a damn how it affects the GP like the guy from United Health. A well-known and mostly accepted conspiracy theory
We have tried picking our Presidential apples from the same rotten barrel, unfortunately, this doesn't mean Trump's apple doesn't have worms just they are different worms than we have been force-fed since the '60s
PS this meme is from 8 years ago and we just finally got rid of just one of these connected and controlled politicians
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02-17-2025, 07:13 AM
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Quote:President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy noted that Ukraine is ready to discuss various options for a deal with the US on access to the extraction of valuable natural resources on its territory, which Donald Trump is interested in. The key principle is that it should be a mutually beneficial format.
Background:- US President Donald Trump said that Ukraine had "essentially agreed" to provide the US with access to the mineral extraction on its territory worth about US$500 billion in exchange for aid.
- US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent may visit Ukraine for preliminary talks on a deal in which the United States would gain access to Kyiv's rare earth resources in exchange for military aid.
Is this a brilliant move by Zelensky to end the war and keep all territories?
How will they be able to mine those valuable minerals with Putin's continual bombardment of the mining sites without U.S. boots on the ground there to protect the interests of their big business?
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/02/12/7497885/
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02-17-2025, 07:17 AM
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(02-17-2025, 07:07 AM)putnam6 Wrote: You're kind of all over the place exploring multiple tangents, it's early here no coffee yet I'll see if I can catch up
Funny how you cling to AI on your facts but it has no further usefulness in the speculative realm which is exactly how hundreds of companies are using AI
I'm still working on my first cup of coffee and I started my day at 4:30 am.
Yes, I have a lot of different thoughts in my busy mind.
The only reason I use AI searches is because I have researched how AI actually uses factual and proven data - not hypotheticals - there is the difference. Hypotheticals in business have a basis in historical examples, but dealing with violent psychopathic KBG dictators isn't as simple a task.
As for Trump, I am not obsessed, I am able to understand the power he now wields, as well as all other worldwide leaders and as for your American internal politics, that will be left to the American people to decide.
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It's going to be very interested to see if Putin actually tries to bully or manipulate Trump.
I don't think it would work, but it will be telling to see what kind of respect there is for each other.
After there's peace, I want DOGE to audit the Ukranian aid!
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(02-17-2025, 07:17 AM)quintessentone Wrote: I'm still working on my first cup of coffee and I started my day at 4:30 am.
Yes, I have a lot of different thoughts in my busy mind.
The only reason I use AI searches is because I have researched how AI actually uses factual and proven data - not hypotheticals - there is the difference. Hypotheticals in business have a basis in historical examples, but dealing with violent psychopathic KBG dictators isn't as simple a task.
As for Trump, I am not obsessed, I am able to understand the power he now wields, as well as all other worldwide leaders and as for your American internal politics, that will be left to the American people to decide.
They did decide, in November during the Presidential election. However, the average American's concerns aren't just internal, thus the majority decided we need to turn off the spigot to Ukraine and perhaps focus on other areas instead of the "big gas station" that is Russia.
Isn't that how former President Obama described Russia, nothing but a big old gas station? Russia isn't the threat it used to be, because it costs money to maintain a functional army and Russia is too full of corruption and graft which absolutely hinders its effectiveness militarily. ie they are not the continental or global threat they are made out to be.
side note
I read somewhere that New York City hasn't had a shooting incident in 30 days, the first time they have gone that long in 20 years.
small steps...
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02-17-2025, 08:04 AM
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(02-17-2025, 07:42 AM)putnam6 Wrote: They did decide, in November during the Presidential election. However, the average American's concerns aren't just internal, thus the majority decided we need to turn off the spigot to Ukraine and perhaps focus on other areas instead of the "big gas station" that is Russia.
Isn't that how former President Obama described Russia, nothing but a big old gas station? Russia isn't the threat it used to be, because it costs money to maintain a functional army and Russia is too full of corruption and graft which absolutely hinders its effectiveness militarily. ie they are not the continental or global threat they are made out to be.
side note
I read somewhere that New York City hasn't had a shooting incident in 30 days, the first time they have gone that long in 20 years.
small steps...
lol Is that how you are playing it? Can't be bothered to research the reason or reasons for the no shooting incidents?
Sounds like the Texas sharpshooter fallacy to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_shar...er_fallacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ma...es_in_2025
https://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/crimn...onthly.pdf
See what I mean?
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02-17-2025, 10:50 AM
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(02-17-2025, 08:04 AM)quintessentone Wrote: lol Is that how you are playing it? Can't be bothered to research the reason or reasons for the no shooting incidents?
Sounds like the Texas sharpshooter fallacy to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_shar...er_fallacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ma...es_in_2025
https://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/crimn...onthly.pdf
See what I mean? Funny how you got sidetracked on the side note... and completely skipped or agreed with the main premise
I was referring to New York City, no more no less I'm aware there are other cities and a whole state around the city of New York.
Jeez man you might want to switch to Decaff
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(02-17-2025, 10:50 AM)putnam6 Wrote: I was referring to New York City, no more no less I'm aware there are other cities and a whole state around the city of New York.
Jeez man you might want to switch to Decaff
Jeez you may want to do your research before you spew off nonsense.
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(02-17-2025, 11:04 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Jeez you may want to do your research before you spew off nonsense.
it was a side note I read somewhere
The main premise was Russia and it's not a threat some pretend it to be.
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02-17-2025, 11:21 AM
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(02-17-2025, 11:19 AM)putnam6 Wrote: it was a side note I read somewhere
The main premise was Russia and it's not a threat some pretend it to be.
Is that Ukraine's view too? I am sure the European nations know better than you/U.S.A. whether or not Russia is a threat.
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