Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[Oldcarpy2]

Back on topic here's CNN's report about Ukraine shelling Donbas after the 2014 "elections" 

https://x.com/Glenn_Diesen/status/1892410776905797983

Yeah, those "little green men" with no insignia.....

How would you like them invading the US?

[putnam6]

Yeah, those "little green men" with no insignia.....

How would you like them invading the US?

So those scary little green men give Ukraine the authority to shell innocent civilians in Donestk? In 2014

If they were such pests why not seek out help from the friendly Obama administration?

Why didn't Putin invade once Trump began kissing his azz in 2016?

It seems Ukraine gets pissy if the US isn't paying through the nose like they are a full-fledged member of NATO WITHOUT adhering to all the corruption provisos. 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/07/11/oba...gia-biden/

 

JUNE 23, 2023 6:11 PM CET
BY NICOLAS CAMUTFormer U.S. President Barack Obama should start admitting critical mistakes in his administration’s Russia policy, including Moscow’s illegal 2014 annexation of Crimea, a senior Ukrainian official said Friday.
“The current Russian […] regime is a blatant reflection of a specific pre-war ‘Western policy,'” said Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s office. “Maybe it’s time to start admitting critical mistakes instead of coming up with new excuses?”
Podolyak’s comments are in reaction to former U.S. President Barack Obama’s defense of his administration’s reaction to the annexation of Crimea in an interview on CNN. Obama argued the full-scale invasion launched by Russian President Vladimir Putin last February came in a different context.

[Oldcarpy2]

"So those scary little green men give Ukraine the authority to shell innocent civilians in Donestk? In 2014".

Yet you are fine with Putin's full scale invasion?

Shelling, droning and using ballistic missiles against civilian targets?

OK.

[putnam6]

"So those scary little green men give Ukraine the authority to shell innocent civilians in Donestk? In 2014".

Yet you are fine with Putin's full scale invasion?

Shelling, droning and using ballistic missiles against civilian targets?

OK.

Yeah, this works better if we both try and pretend to answer each other's questions occasionally.

Respectfully just because I want peace negotiations doesn't mean I was fine with Putin's invasion.

My position has not changed, I said it from the get-go,

Show me a realistic path to ejecting Russia from Ukraine that
doesn't cost hundreds of billions of American taxpayers' dollars
or escalate it beyond not one "inch of NATO soil"
Which was the only correct and coherent statement Biden uttered during his Presidency.
No doubt drawn up by Jack Sullivan or Blinken 
I was and will never be fine with the invasion,
but I wasn't fine with Chechnya or Georgia or the various moves Russia is making in Africa either. 

Each response has to be weighed by the risk of escalation and the cost of the response,
the Biden administration was keenly aware of the situation.
There's a distinct difference between
George H Bush's "This aggression will not stand"
and Biden's "Not one inch of NATO soil"
it was pretty much carte blanche for Russia to invade

[sahgwa]

Yeah, this works better if we both try and pretend to answer each other's questions occasionally.

Respectfully just because I want peace negotiations doesn't mean I was fine with Putin's invasion.

My position has not changed, I said it from the get-go,

Show me a realistic path to ejecting Russia from Ukraine that
doesn't cost hundreds of billions of American taxpayers' dollars
or escalate it beyond not one "inch of NATO soil"
Which was the only correct and coherent statement Biden uttered during his Presidency.
No doubt drawn up by Jack Sullivan or Blinken 
I was and will never be fine with the invasion,
but I wasn't fine with Chechnya or Georgia or the various moves Russia is making in Africa either. 

Each response has to be weighed by the risk of escalation and the cost of the response,
the Biden administration was keenly aware of the situation.
There's a distinct difference between
George H Bush's "This aggression will not stand"
and Biden's "Not one inch of NATO soil"
it was pretty much carte blanche for Russia to invade

Timeline of the Ukraine War:
February 2014 to February 2022 22 Feb 2014: With Sochi Winter Olympics underway, Team Obama toppled the democratically elected government of Ukraine’s pro-Russian leader Viktor Yanukovych.
2 May 2014: Massacre of Russian-speaking Ukrainians in Odessa by thugs bussed in from Kyiv – triggering the civil war.
17 Dec 2021: Team Biden rejects Putin’s proposed mutual security accords that would have left “neutral” Ukraine intact.
18 Feb 2022: During Winter Olympics in China, Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) documented that Ukraine ramped up cease fire violations along the civil war LOC - from Luhansk to Right-Sector controlled Mariupol. 19 Feb 2022: At the Munich Security Conference, Zelensky said Ukraine will get and deploy nuclear missiles.
20 Feb 2022: On 60 Minutes, on the final day of the Olympics in China, Ukraine’s Minister of Foreign Affairs Dmytro Kuleba said: “Ukraine will never honor the Minsk cease fire.”
21 Feb 2022: Russia captured a Ukrainian soldier, killed five others as they crossed over the border into Rostov, Russia. Russia recognizes the breakaway Donbass and Luhansk Republics.
24 Feb 2022: Russia launches SMO with 90,000 troops – not a "full scale invasion." Russia intervened to protect the ethnic Russians living in the civil-war-torn Donbass.

In my humble opinion Russia shouldn't have conducted their SMO and USA should not have prodded Russia with Ukrainian regime change using the tried n true CIA playbook.
Said it once and I will say it again, it's a stupid proxy war with Ukrainian civilians in the middle.

And no one here has said anything about all them Nazis we now support. They just get ignored.
Blows my mind.

[putnam6]

 
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The U.S. and Ukraine are nearing a deal that would hand valuable mineral rights to the U.S., an agreement that the Trump administration has sought as compensation for military aid to fight off Russia’s invasion-WSJ

I thought there was no way the US would get mineral rights.... well at least according to some 



https://www.wsj.com/world/white-house-an...s-e924c672

White House and Ukraine Close In on Deal for Mineral RightsAgreement

could help resolve tensions that flared up between Zelensky and Trump 
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President Trump. PHOTO: NATHAN HOWARD/REUTERSThe U.S. and Ukraine are nearing a deal that would hand valuable mineral rights to the U.S., an agreement that the Trump administration has sought as compensation for military aid to fight off Russia’s invasion, people familiar with the matter said. 
Ukraine had refused to sign such a deal earlier this week, sparking a war of words between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and fears of a break in relations between Washington and Kyiv. 
In an apparent nod to an impending deal, Zelensky said in a nightly video address Friday that teams of U.S. and Ukrainian negotiators were working on a draft agreement.
“This is an agreement that can strengthen our relations, and the key is to work out the details to ensure its effectiveness,” he said. “I look forward to the outcome—a just result.” 

 
Asked about the prospect of a deal on minerals with Ukraine, Trump told reporters in the Oval Office Friday: “I think they want it. They feel good about it.”
[Image: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/...ipo=images]Zelensky’s initial rejection of the deal proposed by Bessent had prompted escalating broadsides from Trump against the Ukrainian president. Trump called Zelensky a dictator after Zelensky suggested Trump was living in a bubble of Russian disinformation.
Trump’s Ukraine envoy, retired Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg, met with Zelensky in Kyiv Thursday, a meeting that Ukraine’s president said afterward “restores hope.”
“I gave instructions to work swiftly and very sensibly,” Zelensky said.
A person close to the government in Kyiv said Kellogg played “a big part” in finalizing terms of the deal by building trust with Zelensky and other Ukrainian officials over a three-day visit to the country’s capital.

[Darkorange]

Timeline of the Ukraine War:
February 2014 to February 2022 22 Feb 2014: With Sochi Winter Olympics underway, Team Obama toppled the democratically elected government of Ukraine’s pro-Russian leader Viktor Yanukovych.
2 May 2014: Massacre of Russian-speaking Ukrainians in Odessa by thugs bussed in from Kyiv – triggering the civil war.
17 Dec 2021: Team Biden rejects Putin’s proposed mutual security accords that would have left “neutral” Ukraine intact.
18 Feb 2022: During Winter Olympics in China, Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) documented that Ukraine ramped up cease fire violations along the civil war LOC - from Luhansk to Right-Sector controlled Mariupol. 19 Feb 2022: At the Munich Security Conference, Zelensky said Ukraine will get and deploy nuclear missiles.
20 Feb 2022: On 60 Minutes, on the final day of the Olympics in China, Ukraine’s Minister of Foreign Affairs Dmytro Kuleba said: “Ukraine will never honor the Minsk cease fire.”
21 Feb 2022: Russia captured a Ukrainian soldier, killed five others as they crossed over the border into Rostov, Russia. Russia recognizes the breakaway Donbass and Luhansk Republics.
24 Feb 2022: Russia launches SMO with 90,000 troops – not a "full scale invasion." Russia intervened to protect the ethnic Russians living in the civil-war-torn Donbass.

In my humble opinion Russia shouldn't have conducted their SMO and USA should not have prodded Russia with Ukrainian regime change using the tried n true CIA playbook.
Said it once and I will say it again, it's a stupid proxy war with Ukrainian civilians in the middle.

And no one here has said anything about all them Nazis we now support. They just get ignored.
Blows my mind.

Few additions to your list...
'..Massacre of Russian-speaking Ukrainians in Odessa by thugs bussed in from Kyiv..' -- and from western Bandera/UPA region nazis arrived to Odessa few month before to keep russian speaking (mostly Odessa russian speaking jews) in check. Then anti bandera protesters were forced in and burnt in Profsayuz building.
June the 2nd 2014 -- Turchinov sends fighter jet to bomb Luhansk mayor office with unguided air to surface missiles. Multiple victims with kids among them.
During election in 2014 when Poroshenko was elected upon the promise to stop the massacre had population support, but Donbuss region was not given a right to vote. Shellings of Donetsk and Luhansk intensified. Russian language has been outlawed.
December 2021 Urkanian army summons troops near Donetsk and Luhansk hinting on massive invasion with intent to submit population via terror to quit resistance.
Donetsk shelling from Avdiivka and Donetsk airport area west of the city increased tri fold.. Peaceful population was a victim. Avdiivka has become a nazis fortress build in anticipation of Russian response back in 2014.
You know the rest.

That's why Ukraine is being shredded to pieces as we speak if anyone wonders.

[Oldcarpy2]

"Nazis fortress"? Do you have a source?

[Oldcarpy2]

By way of balance, here's some of Russia's history of Neo Nazis.

Seems Russia could do with a bit of "de --Nazification" itself:

https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles...-neo-nazis

[Darkorange]

"Nazis fortress"? Do you have a source?

Either you don't follow the conflict and just now started to express an interest, or your brains are completely fooked. third option is you are a globalist agenda shill. your brains are fooked, i'd say, if you'll ask me what is globalist agenda and ask for a source.

Which one is would be?