Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[pianopraze]

Try using this link for now, it should sort the active posts/threads into chronological order.

https://denyignorance.com/activethreads....ing&page=1

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Ty, I liked the look, honestly. Was just lost in how to navigate. Thought it was probably my machine broke.

i don’t want to say bad things about Zelenskyy or Putin. I will agree the alleged aligations in posts above probably true.

but I still want to see a swift end to this conflict.

and baring that I want to see USA 100 percent withdrawal. We have no business policing the world.

we need to fix our county, not zalinsky or Putin mess.

we are broke and our infrastructure crumbling. Put our money fixing our debt and rebuilding infrastructure!

[putnam6]

Ty, I liked the look, honestly. Was just lost in how to navigate. Thought it was probably my machine broke.

i don’t want to say bad things about Zelenskyy or Putin. I will agree the alleged aligations in posts above probably true.

but I still want to see a swift end to this conflict.

and baring that I want to see USA 100 percent withdrawal. We have no business policing the world.

we need to fix our county, not zalinsky or Putin mess.

we are broke and our infrastructure crumbling. Put our money fixing our debt and rebuilding infrastructure!

Here's what DJT says ...sounds optimistic AH but who knows

[pianopraze]

Here's what DJT says ...sounds optimistic AH but who knows


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What worries. E from that is the laundry list of 3rd parties who have been undermining the process up til now.

hope it goes through, though.

[Sarnaxx]

I guess we will see how it goes...I know Putin has been very adamant that there will be no negotiations until Ukraine actually has elections again and votes in a head of state. Currently their head of state has suspended elections indefinitely...

How about Ukraine has free elections whenever Mother Russia has an actual free election

[putnam6]

Sounds like Zelensky is talking out of both sides of his mouth? Especially if he is including the disputed territories, they aren't getting Crimea back. 

Kiev re-meeting of all teams from the US, Ukraine, Russia and European countries is contradictory to Trump's post, suggesting only Russia and Ukraine negotiate with no others present 

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Ukraine will not withdraw troops from its territories and will not accept Russian ultimatums , said Vladimir Zelensky. Kiev is considering the possibility of a re-meeting of all teams from the US, Ukraine, Russia and European countries, Zelensky said. According to him, such negotiations could take place in Turkey, the Vatican or Switzerland. "I heard that Trump reported on his conversation with Putin, and we are waiting to study the proposal that Russia will present," Zelensky stressed. Zelensky confirmed that Ukraine could sign a memorandum with Russia that would lead to an agreement to end the conflict.

[Oldcarpy2]

"I guess we will see how it goes...I know Putin has been very adamant that there will be no negotiations until Ukraine actually has elections again and votes in a head of state. Currently their head of state has suspended elections indefinitely..."

Yeah, votes in a head of state who is a Russian puppet,, more like.

Elections are suspended because they are at War, with millions of refugees.

Of course, Russian elections are totally legit...

[RickyD]

How about Ukraine has free elections whenever Mother Russia has an actual free election

Well...that sounds nice...but Russia doesn't need to do any such thing to appease Ukraine to end this war. Ukraine however desperately needs an end to this war before the military completely fails somewhere and we see large territory losses. Its already starting to occure on some fronts as I was just seeing this morning. I get it...lots of people don't like Putin and don't like this war being won by what they consider the bad guy. The reality is...one side is losing the other is winning and that is what will dictate the terms of any end to the war.

[RickyD]

"I guess we will see how it goes...I know Putin has been very adamant that there will be no negotiations until Ukraine actually has elections again and votes in a head of state. Currently their head of state has suspended elections indefinitely..."

Yeah, votes in a head of state who is a Russian puppet,, more like.

Elections are suspended because they are at War, with millions of refugees.

Of course, Russian elections are totally legit...

I am not saying I support or agree with it...but it is what he has said. Speaking of refugees...I met a guy maybe in his late 20s early 30s at the pub here in Salt Lake last night. I didn't want to be rude so I didn't ask potentially inflamatory questions. I did however, after learning he had been traveling around the US and living in Florida, ask how long he has been away from Ukraine. His answer was 3 years with 1.5 spent in Europe and 1.5 hear in the US. All I could think was he fled Ukraine illegally and probably comes from a family with money and resources to fund him. He was obviously of a military age and left at a time when conscription was in effect. He certainly had no dreams of going back home...he said he loved it here in the US.

This is anecdotal but at least representative of how some Ukrainians feel about the war.

[Oldcarpy2]

"Ukraine will not withdraw troops from its territories and will not accept Russian ultimatums , said Vladimir Zelensky."

Can you blame him?

Why might he concede territory that Russia does not control?

Crimea is lost, Russia won't give it up.

[Oldcarpy2]

"
This is anecdotal but at least representative of how some Ukrainians feel about the war."

Actually it's your conjecture about your own feelings about one Ukrainian.

Not my experience of talking to Ukrainians but that is just anecdotal as well.