Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[chr0naut]

Don't get me started about polls they are less than meaningless even more so in the UK where people are getting arrested for POSTING on social media bad thoughts about the government FFS how mental is that?

wore this out during the election and even it is a conservative estimate

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That's what the US did during WW2, until they themselves were attacked by the emboldened 'forces against democracy and freedom'.

I'm surprised the penny hasn't dropped this time that if you let evil run riot, even the US is under threat. And I'm sure that if, and when, Russia thinks it has the advantage enough to attack its biggest target, it won't use conventional weapons, or give time for adequate defence to be raised.

If they launch, the US has only 30 minutes to decide and mount its response. That's why US Presidents have carried around the 'football' for decades. Do you think Trump might falter, or do a press release, before launching back at his 'close friend and very clever 'mate', Putin? How many more will die while he says "it will all just go away", again?

So, who is playing with WW3 in this scenario? Not Ukraine.

[putnam6]

That's what the US did during WW2, until they themselves were attacked by the emboldened 'forces against democracy and freedom'.

I'm surprised the penny hasn't dropped this time that if you let evil run riot, even the US is under threat. And I'm sure that if, and when, Russia thinks it has the advantage enough to attack its biggest target, it won't use conventional weapons, or give time for adequate defence to be raised.

If they launch, the US has only 30 minutes to decide and mount its response. That's why US Presidents have carried around the 'football' for decades. Do you think Trump might falter, or do a press release, before launching back at his 'close friend and very clever 'mate', Putin? How many more will die while he says "it will all just go away", again?

So, who is playing with WW3 in this scenario? Not Ukraine.

Here we go with old non-applicable WWII analogies,

luckily Ive got a link and a meme for that.


 Despite a range of sanctions and the threat posed by dependence on Russian energy, in the third year of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, EU imports of Russian fossil fuels in particular remain largely unchanged, totalling EUR 21.9 bn, a 6% year-on-year drop in value but merely a 1% year-on-year drop in volumes.

Notably, EU imports of Russian fossil fuels in the third year of the invasion surpassed the EUR 18.7 bn of financial aid they sent to Ukraine in 2024.

https://energyandcleanair.org/publicatio...o-ukraine/

Despite a range of sanctions and the threat posed by dependence on Russian energy, in the third year of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, EU imports of Russian fossil fuels in particular remain largely unchanged, totalling EUR 21.9 bn, a 6% year-on-year drop in value but merely a 1% year-on-year drop in volumes.
Notably, EU imports of Russian fossil fuels in the third year of the invasion surpassed the EUR 18.7 bn of financial aid they sent to Ukraine in 2024.

[pianopraze]

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Biden abandoned Trumps failures for a reason, and there is ample proof that Biden's attempts did, at least, have some effect.

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But Trump allies could never admit that. Similarly, they could never admit that the economic problems at the start of Biden's term, were due to the actions and legislature introduced under Trump's first term (such as his mishandling of the pandemic), nor could they admit that despite the initial setbacks, Biden's term had spectacular growth, economically, compared to many other historical Presidential terms.

These things are a matter of record now, despite the way Trump continually paints himself as always being right. We know he is a felon, a tax cheat, a liar, and a bigot. It would not surprise me if he were later found to have trafficked and had had sex with minors.

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I’m not going to defend Trump. I’m not maga. Barking up wrong tree.

i’m libertaian. he’s got his faults. Left (not saying you, talking media etc) lies about almost everything concerning Trump, your list  1. It’s not pertinent to this conversation and 2. I can’t believe it (sources, again not you). If you believe those sources cool. I just don’t. 

i’m happy he’s giving some libertarian wishes a nod. More than any other president. I had a little hope for Obama when he was talking about signing statements etc, but he felt like a rat so I voted libertarian (Johnson?). Glad I did. Obama reneged on that and everything else he said that I liked in his platform. I actually liked Obama more than Chase Oliver (2024 Libertarian candidate), lol.

i’ll agree trump is doing things I don’t like to, but again not pertinent to this conversation happy to agree with you in those conversations. Catch me in a 2A thread.

 :beer:

[pianopraze]

Only 20% of the respondents in that poll identify as Democrats.

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/do...250304.pdf

How to lie with statistics.... nice one CBS. Weighing R at 5:2. Sheesh.

Good catch: 51% Republican, 27% independent, 20% Democrat, 2% undecided.

to get a high 70% he had to either get some democrats approving (highly unlikely) or almost every independent approving.

that is very amazing.

wish they had done 30/30/30 percent d/r/i

i would also like to know the percentage of people now after election that consider them selves d/r/i before the election it was evenly split D/R with 23% d 23% r and 40% i. If I remember right. I made threads about that at the time.

[Oldcarpy2]

You pull a poll out of your bum thats from YouGov surveyed 5000 people and pretend it represents the attitudes of 67 million people and
I'm delusional 

are we supposed to believe the massive 100,000 plus pro-Trumpers in 2018 have all flip-flopped thier opinions, no wonder you love  Zelensky

Regardless sounds as if the EU/UK has enough countries and Zelensky and Starmer are willing to continue running the meat grinder in eastern Ukraine for the moment. 

only time will tell if Ukraine gets its land back and how many lives it will cost in the effort


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Here's a couple of other YouGov polls, FFS indeed 

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YouGov?

Aren't those US polls??

Fact: most Brits think the White House slanging match was a disgrace

[Oldcarpy2]

Here's another one I pulled out of my bum:

https://yougov.co.uk/international/artic...nald-trump

[putnam6]

I’m not going to defend Trump. I’m not maga. Barking up wrong tree.

i’m libertaian. he’s got his faults. Left (not saying you, talking media etc) lies about almost everything concerning Trump, your list  1. It’s not pertinent to this conversation and 2. I can’t believe it (sources, again not you). If you believe those sources cool. I just don’t. 

i’m happy he’s giving some libertarian wishes a nod. More than any other president. I had a little hope for Obama when he was talking about signing statements etc, but he felt like a rat so I voted libertarian (Johnson?). Glad I did. Obama reneged on that and everything else he said that I liked in his platform. I actually liked Obama more than Chase Oliver (2024 Libertarian candidate), lol.

i’ll agree trump is doing things I don’t like to, but again not pertinent to this conversation happy to agree with you in those conversations. Catch me in a 2A thread.

 :beer:

Every President since I was paying attention from Nixon did things that made me go WTH? you take the good with the bad and hope they don't screw with the economy, and get us into a war. It's only the extreme 10-15% left and right that pretend thier way is the only way.

When the truth is America was always about compromises.

So America could have a population from diverse regions, backgrounds, and later cultures live peacefully under the umbrella of freedom and democracy.

Sure it gets skewed and warped based on who is running things the difference is when Warren G Harding is grifting and corrupt only DC and a few newspapers know the story even then well after the fact. The general public was mostly blissfully ignorant 

Now everybody knows instantaneously the DNC, RNC, and Trumpers  Progressives retreat behind thier established frontlines and clash fervently, loudly, and incessantly.

[FlyersFan]

Fact: most Brits think the White House slanging match was a disgrace

Fact:  most Americans don't care what the Brits think of it.

Just like  most Brits don't care what Americans think of their monarchy.

[FlyersFan]

Interesting article.  

Like I said .. neither Russia nor Ukraine are the 'good guys'.
Russia invaded, so they are wrong.
But Ukraine wasn't exactly a 'stand up Western country' to begin with.

Yes Zelenskyy is a dictator

Focusing on the election issue enables Zelensky’s fans to ignore his government’s other numerous, anti-democratic outrages. But remaining in office after the expiration of his term is among the least of Zelensky’s offenses. Under his rule, the Ukrainian government has outlawed nearly a dozen opposition parties, stifled the press, launched a campaign against uncooperative churches, and has conducted a program of arbitrary imprisonment, torture, and assassination.
 
Much of that authoritarian behavior was evident even before the February 2022 Russian invasion. In Freedom House’s 2022 report, Ukraine was listed in the “partly free” category, scoring 61 points out of a possible 100. Human Rights Watch’s 2021 report on Ukraine also was far from favorable, citing various abuses by government forces, “including arbitrary detentions, torture or ill-treatment.” Journalists and media workers “faced harassment and threats connected to their reporting.”

Freedom House’s 2024 report confirmed that the record of Ukraine’s government has become even worse. The country remained in the “partly free” category, but its overall score declined to 49 from 61 in 2022. Ratings for political rights and civil liberties declined even more, with dismal scores of 21 and 28, respectively. Moreover, the tepid evaluation came from an organization that is habitually friendly to Western values and U.S.-led foreign policy goals. If the “partly free” rating is the best Ukraine could muster from an exceedingly friendly source, one can imagine what a more neutral party would conclude.

[Kwaka]

Russia invaded, so they are wrong.

That jedi mind trick works good on you to pretend that NATO has nothing to do with this. It worked goof on you with the Israel / Palestine conflict too cheering on for team meat grinder.

If you want to seriously be involved in conflict resolution, it starts by looking at both sides of the conflict.