Trump 'authorizing Full Force, if necessary' as military deploys to another US city

[ANNEE]

Antifa is not a verb. 

It takes no action.

[guyfriday]

The term "antifa" is short for anti-fascist; it's used both by its adherents and its foes. In general, people who identify as antifa are known not for what they support, but what they oppose: Fascism, nationalism, far-right ideologies, white supremacy, authoritarianism, racism, homophobia and xenophobia.

I don’t see “be destructive”  anywhere in that description. 

Opportunists will latch on to anything to fill their need.

Well, they aren't going to advertise all of what they are willing to do. National Socialists of Germany didn't go all in on Camps and extermination either. Just because they say one thing doesn't mean anything to the facts that they are clearly into fire-bombing others, attacking the public physically, shutting down entire communities says more about what antifa is about than any flowery language they advertise themselves as.

I think we all agree with you though that opportunists will latch on to anything. Where I think we disagree is how some people, antifa in this case, will use these openings to foster chaos and destruction. Whereas others will see these differences as an opening to foster understanding and cooperation. It's both a good thing that many people don't/haven't experienced the rot antifa brings with them, but also a shame in that they will never fully understand the actual issue that is happening in these cities.

[ANNEE]

I think we all agree with you though that opportunists will latch on to anything. Where I think we disagree is how some people, antifa in this case, will use these openings to foster chaos and destruction. Whereas others will see these differences as an opening to foster understanding and cooperation. It's both a good thing that many people don't/haven't experienced the rot antifa brings with them, but also a shame in that they will never fully understand the actual issue that is happening in these cities.

Anyone can label themselves Antifa.

So can extreme fundamentalist label themselves Christian.

Extreme is Extreme.  

Do I think there are those who are acting out in the name of Antifa?  Absolutely.  

But -- Antifa is not a verb; it is a term derived from "anti-fascist," referring to a decentralized movement against fascism and far-right extremism. It is characterized by its lack of a formal structure and leadership, consisting of individuals or groups who oppose far-right ideologies and engage in direct action against them. The term is often used to describe a range of left-wing activists and movements, but it does not refer to a single organization or entity. 

[guyfriday]

Anyone can label themselves Antifa.

So can extreme fundamentalist label themselves Christian.

Extreme is Extreme.  

Do I think there are those who are acting out in the name of Antifa?  Absolutely.  

But -- Antifa is not a verb; it is a term derived from "anti-fascist," referring to a decentralized movement against fascism and far-right extremism. It is characterized by its lack of a formal structure and leadership, consisting of individuals or groups who oppose far-right ideologies and engage in direct action against them. The term is often used to describe a range of left-wing activists and movements, but it does not refer to a single organization or entity. 

And because some folks decided to call themselves anti fascists then we should just ignore the main group named antifa? This was the same argument that happened with Hamas. A political wing called themselves Hamas and then there was a terrorist organization named the same thing. Both groups were in fact two sides on the same coin. Now we see that there is another group of people who have been creating violence and mayhem for years calling themselves antifa, but gathered up people who are just going around and telling stories about how everyone is an anti-fascist, so those who have taken the name antifa should also be left alone to terrorize the public and force their rules on others. 

Just because the animal with four legs, a tail, and a head is similar to a dog doesn't mean we can call a cat a dog. antifa is not an anti-fascist organization regardless of what they might be saying. They are the strongarm tools of fascists and hide behind their names while conducting their chaos on the public. 

As to antifa not having any organized structure, well they do. They have shown this off many times in both how they conduct business, in how they get equipment, and in how they preplan attacks and assaults on communities and individuals. If you don't want to believe this, that's fine, but you might want to educate yourself on how they operate in case they come into your neighborhood and wreak havoc in your community.

[putnam6]

Okay..  go with these stats. Screw Wikipedia.

Portland is #37.

Why not Phoenix at 36th?
Indianapolis at #15?
Cleveland at #9?
St. Louis at #3?
New Orleans at #5

Or maybe...

Kansas City, Louisville, Atlanta, Little Rock, Mobile, Nashville, Toledo, Cincinatti, or Columbus?

4 major cities in the VP's home state rank ahead of Portland, and every other city on the "next up" list.

Granted its just homicide list, but you cant use these stats and ignore all the more deserving "blue cities in red states" ALWAYS ahead of the ones being targeted.

And about CA DAs...

WE LEARNED how much they suck pretty quickly after 2020 and as of 2025 San Francisco, Los Angeles, and San Diego all have moderate, independent, or right-leaning DAs.

The urgency assumes CA cities never took care of it democratically tthrough local elections. 

FWIW, I know crime is everywhere 7 of the top 20 ive worked in or lived in. I can guarantee 4 of those 7 cities' retail and club districts would appreciate an overt National Guard presence, and 1 of the other 3 already has the NG there. 

I know the other areas in the top 100 in my state would love to have the NG there too.

I hope it's coming soon for my metro area. Still, I can see a few pertinent reasons to choose blue sanctuary cities, more bang for your buck, no doubt more undocumented overall, and likely more hardened criminal element. 

Additionally, you unroll it in unpopular areas, and you know if it works there, it will really do well in less blue cities

Lastly, premiere in blue cities, and if it goes sideways, you most likely piss off voters who weren't likely to vote red anyway.  It allows to work out all the kinks and coordinate with the local police if it's allowed.

[FlyersFan]

In the same speech, he authorized the use of force against American citizens.

If American citizens are breaking the law and using force (or vandalism, arson, assault etc) to overthrow the US government and to fight American law enforcement (ICE, Police, etc), then of course the US government can use force against them.  DUH.  The American citizenship of the law breakers doesn't protect them from law enforcement.

[FlyersFan]

I do so enjoy non-military people "knowing" what military is going to do.

  Yeah ... non military and left wing indoctrinated, and in some cases they are also FOREIGNERS ... wild stories about what American military are going to do ... totally clueless .... rather comical.

[FlyersFan]

people who identify as antifa are known not for what they support, but what they oppose: 

what they oppose is obeying the law.   
Arson, assault, vandalism, interfering with law enforcement, etc etc.   
That's what they support.

[FlyersFan]

You need to convince me cities in my state needs Trump's intervention more than the other cities I have listed, like Indianapolis or Little Rock. 

Like was stated before ... those cities are not trying to kick ICE out of the city.  They aren't blocking ICE from doing their job of law enforcement.    Portland is trying to REZONE the city to make it so ICE can't be there.   If Portland hadn't poked the bear and done that, they probably wouldn't have federal troops.

[FlyersFan]

Antifa is not a verb. 
It takes no action.

Action Antifa takes .... arson, assault, vandalism, interfering with law enforcement, breaking the law.