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Many people seem compelled to invoke the sympathy of others by claiming a circumstance like "addiction" or "depression."

Most who have been overtaken by a substance, or had their very life forces suddenly disappear for no reason could be forgiven for being offended.

The word "Addiction" - which is the central idea I commenting on here... is no longer a clinical term. (Incidentally, nether is "depression.")

"Addiction" was about an individual finding it physically impossible to survive without the substance... physical illness would be the result of abstinence.

Addiction is about a physical need...  Not "behavior." 
The first is the realm of medical science to describe physically...
the second is a psychological playground... (ahem.)

Apparently, some doctors hold that a combination of patient utterances is enough to diagnose addiction....
(hence an "addiction" explosion....)

Their ideation includes the potential future medical headline... "Man stops masturbating without medical oversight... dies," or "Woman 'cold turkeys' social media... head explodes, 6 injured."
(07-14-2025, 10:13 AM)Maxmars Wrote: Addiction is about a physical need...  Not "behavior." 
The first is the realm of medical science to describe physically...
the second is a psychological playground... (ahem.)

it come from the idea that all is bad brain chemicals or bad genes
or inflicted truma one is helpless against

a behaviour stems from such
there is no moral component

all quanifiable causes exist
and are within the realm of medicine to address
so psychology is medicine
after all you need an md to shrink heads

perhaps we will find molersters dont choose
after all how could they?
that is the hope

you see it is either/or
read this paper https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/...rn-or-made

there is no evil
this is not the sin you are looking for
pay no attention to what is behind the curtain

(in this regard i disagree with the direction science seems to be marching)
(07-14-2025, 10:27 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: it come from the idea that all is bad brain chemicals or bad genes
or inflicted truma one is helpless against

...

(in this regard i disagree with the direction science seems to be marching)

It's the social component of forced 'allegiance' ... status translating to infallibility...
(where have I seen that before?)

To consider all human expression a form of chemical reaction seems basely myopic.

But who am I to question their consensus?

In short, I agree with you...
(07-14-2025, 10:13 AM)Maxmars Wrote: Their ideation includes the potential future medical headline... "Man stops masturbating without medical oversight... dies," 

IMO there is risk of death from quitting orgasms.  POIS is no joke.

Maybe it wouldn’t be so bad if a child never starts.  But if a 40 something year old adult decides to take up the cloth of Perfect Continence, he or she is going to have a powerful demon to exorcise.  It is a fight to the death.

That there or no monks and priests warning about this danger, tells me no monks and priests are truly practicing Perfect Continence.
Allergies shouldn't link to the idea of abstinence that your post seems to refer to.

Allergies are anomalous conditions... hardly what you base a life decision on... unless it's emergence is life threatening, like a toxin.

Orgasms are naturally occurring and neither antithetical to life nor health, I would surmise.

Who can say they never experienced an orgasm while sleeping, or as an infant?... we don't know.

Is it something we can now claim to master.... 
(heh... there's a pun waiting to happen right there.)

It is the distraction that society wants controlled.

PS - Please don't infer flippancy from my way of expression... That's not me.
(07-14-2025, 11:15 AM)MonkMode Wrote: IMO there is risk of death from quitting orgasms.  POIS is no joke.

Maybe it wouldn’t be so bad if a child never starts.  But if a 40 something year old adult decides to take up the cloth of Perfect Continence, he or she is going to have a powerful demon to exorcise.  It is a fight to the death.

That there or no monks and priests warning about this danger, tells me no monks and priests are truly practicing Perfect Continence.

ok.
I was not here.
(07-14-2025, 11:28 AM)Maxmars Wrote: Who can say they never experienced an orgasm while sleeping, or as an infant?... we don't know.

Now we are getting into the topic of abuse.

When I was 10 years old, I was told in sex education class, orgasms while asleep are just part of puberty.  This is a lie.  Those who teach kids this are being abusive.

This only happened once to me, my whole life, 1070 days after quitting.  It was a NEO.  It startled me awake.  I was furious.

It was an attempted rape, partially successful.  Those who have experienced orgasms while asleep have effectively been raped.  There is nothing consensual about wet dreams.
Understood.

What you describe is indeed 'rape.'

The distinction between it being done to you by someone is clear.

That is the definition of rape.

I hope you found a way to heal.

This conversation is over for me... I am no therapist, no profession provider of care...
I can only offer well-wishes.

And adjourn.
(07-14-2025, 12:32 PM)Maxmars Wrote: Understood.

What you describe is indeed 'rape.'

The distinction between it being done to you by someone is clear.

That is the definition of rape.

I hope you found a way to heal.

This conversation is over for me... I am no therapist, no profession provider of care...
I can only offer well-wishes.

And adjourn.


There have been some unsuccessful attempts since, and I started smoking cigarettes after it happened, which seems to help a bit.  There is always a dream warning that happens which shouldn’t be ignored, is the victim’s cue to wake up and fend off the rape.

There are also daily trigger attempts while awake.  

If you’re a dude who has to drive a vehicle for work, there is no chance at success IMO, as sitting in a moving vehicle will milk your prostate.
Damage control...

Quote:The Trump administration’s refusal to shed any more daylight on the notorious Jeffrey Epstein case has, ironically, only served to make everybody pay a lot more attention to it. As the crisis continues to snowball, officials in the government are quietly considering at least three different ways to disclose more information about the dead pedophile and thereby dispel accusations of a coverup, Axios reports.


https://gizmodo.com/trump-aides-float-ne...3gu1j8L0UA
I was not here.



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