Trump and Epstein were great buddies

[BeTheGoddess]

 
Well, technically, sugar is a substance, and also a drug, that quite a few of us are probably addicted to, whether or not we care to recognise the fact.

Salt, tea, coffee.

They all tick the box.

Heroin, or crack, though, that's a wee bit of a different level of addiction.

Again, and like others have proposed, I've never seen anyone suck d*ck for a bag of sugar or a pitcher of salt.

Imagine if nations went to war or invade continents over these substances. /s

The major players in the drug trade are not doing it for money, we are well off topic now.

[andy06shake]

And abuse should not be tolerated...

I say address the abuse, people can contrive all manner of narratives to sort through the motivations,
the contribution factors, the ancillary circumstances.... it's the abuse that is the problem.

Can we say that every rapist is this or that? Sure...
I don't think that path moves forward.

Frankly, should I experience it, I would probably want to demand the death penalty.

But rape isn't always violent or an attack.

It can be, and has been, a trap...

That's rape too.

The violence hides behind coercion and trickery.

(Sorry if this might seem off point, but I'm learning this topic, I'm glad you're here... )

No need to apologise, i mean it's an important and tough topic to sit with and discuss. 

You're right, abuse is the core issue, and picking it apart with labels sometimes just blurs the truth.

Rape doesn't always look like the movies, it can be silent, manipulative, disguised as love or pressure.

But that doesn't make it less real.

After all, coercion is violence, even if there's no weapon or apparent reason.

[andy06shake]

Imagine if nations went to war or invade continents over these substances. /s

The major players in the drug trade are not doing it for money, we are well off topic now.

The thing is, the so-called ""war on drugs"" isn't really about stopping drugs.

It's about control, power, and money.

If it were really about helping people, they'd invest properly in treatment, education, and mental health.

But they dont, they lock people up, which consists of mostly poor people.

While the top-level dealers, rich sobs, and alphabet agencies, who fund the operations, profit immensely from behind the curtain.

Clownshoes.

[Maxmars]

No need to apologise, i mean it's an important and tough topic to sit with and discuss. 

You're right, abuse is the core issue, and picking it apart with labels sometimes just blurs the truth.

Rape doesn't always look like the movies, it can be silent, manipulative, disguised as love or pressure.

But that doesn't make it less real.

After all, coercion is violence, even if there's no weapon or apparent reason.

Alas... we have come to an impasse...

I completely agree with you.

[MonkMode]

Maybe your doing it wrong?

The idea that all sex is trauma isn't true for most people mate, quite the opposite in point of fact.

Sorry but comparing consensual sex to things like heroin or childbirth doesn’t hold up, those are very different things, both physically and emotionally.

Holding rapists accountable doesn't require someone to feel guilty for having sex.

That's not how justice works.

Calling sex a disease or sin goes too far.

Just because it's been painful for some doesn't mean it's that way for everyone.

Else we would not fecking do it for a start.

No sex, well, there goes humanity, im afraid.

Nobody should feel guilty for loving sex, if they are ignorant about its trauma.

When it comes to families, with me, it has been the more the merrier.

But there’s no denying that orgasms cause disease then death, which could be healed through perfect continence.  And knowing that, and continuing to indulge in the deadly addiction, after one has enough children they can handle, is nothing short of the definition of insanity.

I don’t feel like insane people are well qualified to judge others suffering from very similar symptoms of insanity.

Conquering death could be the best way to reach a permanent flat line in human population, the supposed stewards of the world.  That could save the world IMO.  I think that is still very speculative and forward looking, but I’m operating under the assumption it is true, and I have confidence in the indications I have found.

I would rather take this event as cause to discuss  that, rather than cry about not being able to punish Epstein clients.

[andy06shake]

Nobody should feel guilty for loving sex, if they are ignorant about its trauma.

When it comes to families, with me, it has been the more the merrier.

But there’s no denying that orgasms cause disease then death, which could be healed through perfect continence.  And knowing that, and continuing to indulge in the deadly addiction, after one has enough children they can handle, is nothing short of the definition of insanity.

I don’t feel like insane people are well qualified to judge others suffering from very similar symptoms of insanity.

Conquering death could be the best way to reach a permanent flat line in human population, the supposed stewards of the world.  That could save the world IMO.  I think that is still very speculative and forward looking, but I’m operating under the assumption it is true, and I have confidence in the indications I have found.

I would rather take this event as cause to discuss  that, rather than cry about not being able to punish Epstein clients.

So let's unpack this wild stew of half-baked mysticism and overconfidence.

Orgasms cause death?

That’s not science, it's puritanical fear dressed as insight.

If perfect continence cured disease and conquered death, monks would be immortal. They're not.

Humans evolved to enjoy sex because it promotes bonding and reproduction.

Claiming abstinence saves the world sounds more like a cult pitch than a global solution.

And calling others insane for doing what biology designed them to do?

That's not enlightened, it's arrogant.

Maybe focus less on judging pleasure and more on understanding actual science before making grand declarations. 

[UltraBudgie]

That’s not science

where it intersects the worldly, science is helpless before mara the deceiver, who moves with the speed of sin to cast deception in its path. look not there for truth, pilgrim!

(see, this is why this topic deserves a separate thread)

[andy06shake]

where it intersects the worldly, science is helpless before mara the deceiver, who moves with the speed of sin to cast deception in its path. look not there for truth, pilgrim!

(see, this is why this topic deserves a separate thread)

Poetic, and kinda true in its own way.

After all, science can only measure what's observable, testable.

But when you're dealing with illusion.

Manipulation.

Or what people believe they've seen or felt, it struggles. 

[Maxmars]

where it intersects the worldly, science is helpless before mara the deceiver, who moves with the speed of sin to cast deception in its path. look not there for truth, pilgrim!

(see, this is why this topic deserves a separate thread)

Please do....

What title should I be on the lookout for?

See what I did there...
(I know it's seems cruel... but you know it's not mean.)

A sideways pun.

[Sky727]

Rumors say Dan is pissed and may quit. I have always thought he was a man of honor so maybe he will step down. Loss for the country if he does IMO.