Trump Floats Again U.S. Should “Take” Gaza and Turn It Into a “Freedom Zone”

[putnam6]

Trump Floats Again U.S. Should “Take” Gaza and Turn It Into a “Freedom Zone”

Im still thinking this has to be a nudge for Jordan and Egypt to step up to the plate, but how would that look?  I can't see hundreds of thousands of Gazans being relocated; it's such a logistical and security nightmare, even if both countries wanted them.


Regardless, it's dangerously ambitious to plug the American military into the equation...

 Trump Suggests U.S. Should “Take” Gaza and Turn It Into a “Freedom Zone”https://time.com/7285602/trump-plans-for...edom-zone/

During a business roundtable in Qatar on Thursday, May 16, President Donald Trump once again suggested a U.S. takeover of Gaza as a way of attempting to redevelop the Palestinian territory.
“I think I’d be proud to have the United States have it, take it, make it a freedom zone. Let some good things happen, put people in homes where they can be safe, and Hamas is going to have to be dealt with,” said Trump, during the roundtable with Qatari officials, in the presence of reporters. 
He continued: “I have concepts for Gaza that I think are very good. Make it a freedom zone, let the United States get involved.”
Per CNN, the U.S. President went on to add: “They’ve never solved the Gaza problem and if you look at it, I have aerial shots, I mean there’s practically no building standing, there’s no building. People are living under the rubble of buildings that collapsed, which is not acceptable, it's a tremendous death. And I want to see that be a freedom zone.”
This is not the first time that the President has put forward ideas about the future of Gaza, which is currently governed by Hamas.

[UltraBudgie]

We don't even blink anymore when he proposes calling it a "Freedom Zone".

Seems obvious the bulk of Gaza's remaining population will move into the Sinai. Egypt "stepping up to the plate"? An apt analogy, for they will likely be given a bat to hold in the form of military aid to maintain control over the region south of Gaza. I suspect any international coalition will be limited in authority to providing humanitarian aid and facilitating the displacement. Egypt's current president is in power until 2030, at which point they'll probably get couped. I doubt a direct corridor will be opened to Jordan.

[putnam6]

We don't even blink anymore when he proposes calling it a "Freedom Zone".

Seems obvious the bulk of Gaza's remaining population will move into the Sinai. Egypt "stepping up to the plate"? An apt analogy, for they will likely be given a bat to hold in the form of military aid to maintain control over the region south of Gaza. I suspect any international coalition will be limited in authority to providing humanitarian aid and facilitating the displacement. Egypt's current president is in power until 2030, at which point they'll probably get couped. I doubt a direct corridor will be opened to Jordan.

Egypt basically had a separate black market economy with Gaza, 

So the 1.2 million Gazans go to Egypt?  they would have to be isolated and contained ...

temporarily or permanently?

[UltraBudgie]

Egypt basically had a separate black market economy with Gaza, 

So the 1.2 million Gazans go to Egypt?  they would have to be isolated and contained ...

temporarily or permanently?

I'd start calling it Sinai now. Lots of Jewish things called Sinai, Israel probably sees it as theirs already. Also will work well with the twilight-language of news in the 2030s -- Sinai, "Sin AI". Egypt mainland can't defend it without external support. Plus pushing the population there will lead to a hostile "terrorist stronghold", a nuisance providing provocation which conveniently must be dealt with via incursion "securing" the area. Temporarily or permanently? There is no "permanently" on the borders of a powerfully-backed expansionist state.

[putnam6]

I'd start calling it Sinai now. Lots of Jewish things called Sinai, Israel probably sees it as theirs already. Also will work well with the twilight-language of news in the 2030s -- Sinai, "Sin AI". Egypt mainland can't defend it without external support. Plus pushing the population there will lead to a hostile "terrorist stronghold", a nuisance providing provocation which conveniently must be dealt with via incursion "securing" the area. Temporarily or permanently? There is no "permanently" on the borders of a powerfully-backed expansionist state.

sigh... 

A new hostile terrorist stronghold and having to secure it via incursion, as opposed to the current hostile terrorist stronghold they are currently securing via incursion? 

Can't have your own sovereign country so soon after 10/7, while elements of Hamas remain. They get a rebuild and a chance to reject Hamas and find another style of governing body. Doesn't mean it's right or wrong; it just is the reality of the situation

I thought the premise was temporary settlements in the Sinai, for some, the rest have a humanitarian area within Gaza, as it is being rebuilt. The Sinai Gazans will be allowed to return once in groups, as section after section of Gaza gets rebuilt. This all might be secured by the US military, which I am against pretty much completely. 

However, rebuilding Gaza and letting all relocated Gazans return is the only way to turn down the heat. The West Bank, Jordan, and Egypt would be constantly boiling over otherwise.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

At least he's saying it in a roundtable discussion WITH Qatar, instead of trolling it in a tweet. 

Freedom Zone needs to equate to a global gentrification and investment zone. 

The biggest challenge is relocation.  And it cant be the West Bank version where they get moved 3 miles so Israel can create another "military compound". Which is International legal law loophole they "settle" with.  You can't do that in Gaza though. Jordan would likely pitch a fit if they were moved to the river from the sea. They don't want the Hamas ones closer either. 

Israel did control The Sinai, until Carter (The Worst president before Biden) opened a still intact relationship of normalized relations. 

There is no answer without rich oil Arabs backing this move.  He not only needs to say it in front of Qatar and press, they need to nod their head in agreement. Saudi Arabia needs to think their path to Al Aqsa guardianship is only achieved after Hamas is removed. They need TO BLAME Hamas/Iran for ruining collaboration, and they need to translate that anger into the Gazan the same way Iran did for decades. 

AND IT HAS TO BE INSANELY GLOBALIST. 

The rubble needs to be an opportunity for investment and money to be made BY EVERYONE. The Internarnational Freedom (Commerce) Zone needs a board of directors, like permanent members, like The UN security council. 

And it needs to be equal parts: Washington, Tel Aviv, Amman, Cairo, Riyadh, Doha, and Abu Dhabi.

"The Coalition of Fuck Jihadists, Build Yachts Marinas."

If you do it right, you won't need to worry about displaced, because Gulf State investment will give them better paying jobs to rebuild, and they won't join martyr brigades out of destitute anger.

Hate to be commie sounding, but West Bank's per capita GDP is why it hates Israel less than Gaza does.  The more equal the quality of living is to the alleged oppressor, the less they revolt, and the less organization they have in revolt.

So if you spinkle some pixie dust for pipe dreams, and play it forward to after the rubble is cleared, maybe the former Gazan won't need to be moved, because they'll be building the new Abraj al-Bayt-By-The-Sea?  And because they are being paid well to construct some ostentatious Saudi crap, they lose the bit where Israel is oppressing their opportunity in life.

Globalist capital investment into a collaborative experimental zone could save The Middle East and move the Dubai model west. Which only benefits Israel. Both in relations and economically.

[UltraBudgie]

However, rebuilding Gaza and letting all relocated Gazans return is the only way to turn down the heat. The West Bank, Jordan, and Egypt would be constantly boiling over otherwise.

Yeah that's not going to happen. Rafah is being razed and militarized to protect the border. Can you reasonably believe there will be a right of return? And what's wrong with boiling over? That's an Arab problem. In the past situations like that have only created necessity for solutions that are advantageous to Israel.

Gazans Once Escaped To Rafah. Now Israel Is Razing It.
(no paywall)

Look at the map.

[UltraBudgie]

Hate to be commie sounding, but West Bank's per capita GDP is why it hates Israel less than Gaza does.  The more equal the quality of living is to the oppressor, the less they revolt, and the less organization they have in revolt.

But if you spinkle some pixie dust for pipe dreams, and play it forward to after the rubble is cleared, maybe the former Gazan won't need to be moved, because they'll be building the new Abraj al-Bayt-By-The-Sea? 

There's been an economic blockade in place since 2007. That probably has had some effect on GDP. And yes, some Arabs will likely be allowed to stay. But their culture will not. There's always room for more secularized capitalists under the multicultural umbrella. Well, maybe not too many.

I feel as though I should feel like I'm being cynical, but sad because I suspect I'm being realistic.

(By culture I mean the desire to live in a society aligned with Islamic values. Not food and moonsuits for women.)

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

There's been an economic blockade in place since 2007. That probably has had some effect on GDP. And yes, some Arabs will likely be allowed to stay. But their culture will not. There's always room for more secularized capitalists under the multicultural umbrella. Well, maybe not too many.

I feel as though I should feel like I'm being cynical, but sad because I suspect I'm being realistic.

(By culture I mean the desire to live in a society aligned with Islamic values. Not food and moonsuits for women.)

Tell the UAE Dubai isn't aligned with Islamic values. They laugh at Iran's condemnation over their hijab laws. But still support Palestine.  

Gentrification is gentrication. It's capitalist and destroys the apparent soul or everything. You can keep culture though. If you preserve one exterior facing wall and gut everyone thing else behind it you can escape historical landmark conservation law and build a new age skyscraper.  

Plus Gaza culture is heavily militarized by Tehren. They build rape tunnels and their department of education has a cute little cartoon AK47 teach the young why they hate Israel. 

It's not Gaza of Palestine, with a unique culture, it's Iran's puppet confrontational death to Israel jihad state. The culture is only identifiable since The Islamic Revolution. It was instilled starting late 70s, and not really a traditional Islamic culture being lost. 

Like Lebanon. What Lebanese culture was lost and gained from the prolonged Islamic Revolution inspired Civil war, largely over what culture they should instill. 

70s Beruit is lot sadder than 70s Iran, but old Lebanese culture was too Eurocentric for The Islamic Revolution.



And of course, The (Little) Devil made them do it.

[UltraBudgie]

Tell the UAE Dubai isn't aligned with Islamic values.

Hmm yes and the Amish are Christian. They have their Christian values, other sects have their own. The point is Palestinians want their own non-secular society on their own land, and that is incompatible with what Israel wants. Thus they will either be evicted, die, or submit to the forces of multiculturalism-but-not-really. We could argue about whether that is a good thing or not, but I won't, because it's bleeding obvious that what's going on is a form of ethnic cleansing. But since this is a world where that appears to be subordinate to other concerns, let's talk instead about the future, without pretending about myths of Western secular values and tolerance when they get in the way of expansionist economic imperialism.