The helicopter of ancient Egypt

[BeTheGoddess]

Who's been there?.

[Unknownparadox]

Herodotus mentioned that machines were used in the building of the pyramids. Pulleys, ropes, counterweights, that sort of stuff.

All those tools has to be build by hand. Of course they would have had have some pretty strong hand made rope, which they would require a steady supply of. 
 

Plenty of food back then too with the Nile flooding twice a year.

Flooding only produces food well after the fact. Otherwise flooding causes death and destruction. It also fills in quarries, which have to be dug out, in order to cut more stone. Adding more work to the survivors of the twice a year flood. Current science is claiming the Nile was much closer to the pyramids.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/16/middleeas...branch-scn

No one knows the details or methods used but it was done. A great feat of logistics and planning. They had plenty of experience too. (see earlier failed attempts}

That's not what science and scientist say. It was built in 20-30 years by 20 to 25 thousand people . Using hand made ropes and hand made tools and tree rollers, and earthen ramps. Which is impossible. Even if you had 25,000 people dedicated to building the pyramid. You still need a massive amount of people and animals, that would support that work crew. Sanitation would have been a massive project in its self.

You really think they had helicopters back then?

I don't know if they had helicopters. I personally don't find believing they had helicopters. Any more "sad" or stupid. Than someone believing 25 thousand people build the great pyramid in 20-30 years. Given the monumental task, 11.9 people faced to place a on average 2.5 ton stone every day. 365 days a year for 30 years strait. Was my entire point.

[midicon]

All those tools has to be build by hand. Of course they would have had have some pretty strong hand made rope, which they would require a steady supply of. 
 

Flooding only produces food well after the fact. Otherwise flooding causes death and destruction. It also fills in quarries, which have to be dug out, in order to cut more stone. Adding more work to the survivors of the twice a year flood. Current science is claiming the Nile was much closer to the pyramids.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/16/middleeas...branch-scn
That's not what science and scientist say. It was built in 20-30 years by 20 to 25 thousand people . Using hand made ropes and hand made tools and tree rollers, and earthen ramps. Which is impossible. Even if you had 25,000 people dedicated to building the pyramid. You still need a massive amount of people and animals, that would support that work crew. Sanitation would have been a massive project in its self.
I don't know if they had helicopters. I personally don't find believing they had helicopters. Any more "sad" or stupid. Than someone believing 25 thousand people build the great pyramid in 20-30 years. Given the monumental task, 11.9 people faced to place a on average 2.5 ton stone every day. 365 days a year for 30 years strait. Was my entire point.

It was probably a matter of 'national service' with the whole population involved in the undertaking. I doubt that 2.3 million blocks, shaped and of a particular weight were used throughout the monument. Two Nile floods a year might have meant prosperity despite your scenario.

There are many theories, I'm sure you know that. You are the one who brought this up when I ridiculed the idea of helicopters in Ancient Egypt.

So because we don't know the methods used or the timescale involved in building the pyramids anything is up for grabs and helicopters are somehow viable!

That would be funny if it wasn't sad lol.

[Unknownparadox]

It was probably a matter of 'national service' with the whole population involved in the undertaking. I doubt that 2.3 million blocks, shaped and of a particular weight were used throughout the monument. Two Nile floods a year might have meant prosperity despite your scenario.

There are many theories, I'm sure you know that. You are the one who brought this up when I ridiculed the idea of helicopters in Ancient Egypt.

So because we don't know the methods used or the timescale involved in building the pyramids anything is up for grabs and helicopters are somehow viable!

That would be funny if it wasn't sad lol.

Is there some school people are going to, that teaches  them to impose what ever crazy shit they imagine as reality? Or were you just born that way?

[rickymouse]

They aren't pictures of things they are parts of hieroglyphs, language, that very vaguely look like something, while ignoring all the writing in the entire temple . The Temple of Seti I was begun by Seti I around 1314 BCE, and completed by his son, Ramesses II, around 1304 BCE. I'm extremely skeptical that such modern - to us - equipment was running around Egypt - and why the artist of Egypt would botch them so badly and why aliens or the much beloved 'advanced civilization' was using such outdated equipment  - and of course if you know anything about their writing the idea is a bit silly. You can form calligrams in English also but we don't think they are 'images'

Their writing is based on shapes, just as modern writing is.  But one image is a word, it is a picture identifying a word or name.  Look at the people who are depicted as having cat heads.  It represents their name.  Why the cat head, why do some have dog like heads, is it because those people owned cats or dogs and when I say cat...it could even be a wild big cats...not just a house cat.   If it was a housecat than that leader would also be a slave...of the housecat.

Things have more than one meaning, a word can mean different things and even be pronounced differently even though the same spelling is used in our language.  It has to be used in context with the sentence to be translated correctly.

I read a lot of information about how translation often messes up the meaning of words.  a simple word or image can have way more information attached to it than the translated version...information that is specific to the people of the area, even the English language here is America is that way.

I mentioned in that post that the thing that looks like a helicopter could be something else, an image which has had it's whole meaning lost over the milenia.  I don't think it is a helicoptor, but it is something, just because everyone in a field or society believes something does not mean it is totally true...especially here IN America.

[Hanslune]

I'm pretty sure there are not 2.3 million blocks in the Great Pyramid. There is plenty of rubble and back fill in there, plus smaller more foughly shaped blocks. I have no doubt it was a massive national undertaking.

Those people had plenty of skill and experience at moving large stones. We don't know the particular techniques and what technology the Egyptians had but they had machines and tools, just not like we have today. Not everything is primitive, pulley wheels and such were available. 

Most of those stones didn't travel far either. They came from the Sphinx enclosure.

But hey ho, they had helicopters lol.

Yep, the 2.3 million was a volume calculation done before they realized that the Egyptian incorporated part of the Giza ridge line into the structure. The minimum volume of these hills can be estimated at 12% and 23% respectively of the volumes of the Kephren and Kheops pyramids. 
That estimate is based on what they thought, 150 years ago and was done by Petrie in 1885. https://i.imgur.com/CyCdryT.jpg. There is also an estimated 500,000 tons of gypsum mortar used, the pyramid is not a solid block either and as the two surviving top tiers show the core stones are very sloppily laid. https://hal.science/hal-00319586/document. 

[Hanslune]

Who's been there?.

I presume you mean Dendera, if so 83 and 97. I also went to the temple site in 2004 but didn't go to see the palimpsest again - bus loads of tourists if I recall. I think I went to the Isis temple and  a few of the other buildings on the site and walked down to the Nile about a kick and a half

[Byrd]

Why didn’t he carve it on a wall?
Maybe that wall’s in the Smithsonian, maybe it’s still buried under the sand, or maybe it’s part of someone’s fireplace in Cairo by now.

And so he carved it in a nonsense message on only one door lintel (top part) and never mentions it elsewhere?


This is one of the most arrogant, self-promoting pharaohs to ever walk the planet -- someone who had the longevity, power, and wealth to do anything he wanted.  

If there had been some sort of contact, he would be putting up a record of what he was given all over the Temple at Karnak (like the one he did for the Battle of Kadesh.)   Diplomats would have recorded it on their tombs, and stories would abound.  No one would care to hide it -- in fact, he'd spin it to say that the gods came from the sky to bless his administration.

And he wouldn't just brag about it once.  He'd give himself yet another title to commemorate it.  It would never occur to him to keep it secret, because he could flaunt it to other world leaders and they'd have to respect him and add to his power.

No... it really is him having the scribes plaster over his father's names and titles and put his in there.  On other doorways that look just like this one, he has his full name and titles.  Time crumbled the plaster overlay (they plastered over most surfaces) then you see the truth that he was usurping his father's accomplishments.

...and that was something that many pharaohs did -- writing over their ancestors' accomplishment or taking some of the credit for himself.

[Hanslune]

And so he carved it in a nonsense message on only one door lintel (top part) and never mentions it elsewhere?


This is one of the most arrogant, self-promoting pharaohs to ever walk the planet -- someone who had the longevity, power, and wealth to do anything he wanted.  

If there had been some sort of contact, he would be putting up a record of what he was given all over the Temple at Karnak (like the one he did for the Battle of Kadesh.)   Diplomats would have recorded it on their tombs, and stories would abound.  No one would care to hide it -- in fact, he'd spin it to say that the gods came from the sky to bless his administration.

And he wouldn't just brag about it once.  He'd give himself yet another title to commemorate it.  It would never occur to him to keep it secret, because he could flaunt it to other world leaders and they'd have to respect him and add to his power.

No... it really is him having the scribes plaster over his father's names and titles and put his in there.  On other doorways that look just like this one, he has his full name and titles.  Time crumbled the plaster overlay (they plastered over most surfaces) then you see the truth that he was usurping his father's accomplishments.

...and that was something that many pharaohs did -- writing over their ancestors' accomplishment or taking some of the credit for himself.

I always like to ask fringe fellows what piece of technology that big bird is!

[Unknownparadox]

Yep, the 2.3 million was a volume calculation done before they realized that the Egyptian incorporated part of the Giza ridge line into the structure. 

A lot of places missed that memo. BBC, MSN, Britannica, PBS. the democrat central brain and now republican too.