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(08-17-2025, 12:04 AM)TheWay Wrote: That is nonsense. I clearly showed you in my table comparison how they have infact changed them. They even tried to suppress the Bible during their 1,260 year reign (538-1798 AD) only allowing it to be available in Latin, which most laypeople couldn't read. What is nonsense is you saying that Catholics changed the bible when in fact it was the Protestants that did it. And as far as alleged suppression goes ... the Catholic church condemned inauthentic bibles that had wrong translations. That's it.
The Catholic Church wrote the bible. It was Catholic men in the Catholic Council of Carthedge in 397AD that decided which texts were of God and which were not. THEY put the bible together. It's a Catholic book.
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(08-16-2025, 11:34 PM)TheWay Wrote: Salvation: The Roman Catholic church teaches that salvation is by baptismal regeneration and is maintained through the Catholic sacraments unless a wilful act of sin is committed that breaks the state of sanctifying grace. The Bible teaches that we are saved by grace which is received through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), and that good works are the result of a change of the heart wrought in salvation (Ephesians 2:10; 2 Corinthians 5:17) and the fruit of that new life in Christ (John 15).
Read up. HERE
You don't have the full information.
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08-17-2025, 05:34 AM
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(08-16-2025, 11:34 PM)TheWay Wrote: Assurance of salvation: The Roman Catholic church teaches that salvation cannot be guaranteed or assured. 1 John 5:13 states that the letter of 1 John was written for the purpose of assuring believers of the CERTAINTY of their salvation.
You cherry pick the bible. Scripture is clear. Reality is clear.
You can lose your salvation. You can throw it away.
There is no such thing as 'once saved always saved'.
That's demonic trickery.
You can find bible quotes saying you won't lose salvation.
I can find them saying that you can and many do.
Christians throw away their faith all the time.
It's all around us. We see it everywhere.
Use some common sense.
Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
Matthew 7:21-23“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
2 Peter 2:20-22For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”
Ezekiel 18:24-26 But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die. “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Hear now, O house of Israel: Is my way not just? Is it not your ways that are not just? When a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice, he shall die for it; for the injustice that he has done he shall die.
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(08-16-2025, 11:34 PM)TheWay Wrote: Good Works: The Roman Catholic church states that Christians are saved by meritorious works (beginning with baptism) and that salvation is maintained by good works (receiving the sacraments, confession of sin to a priest, etc.) The Bible states that Christians are saved by grace through faith, apart from works (Titus 3:5; Ephesians 2:8-9; Galatians 3:10-11; Romans 3:19-24). Incorrect again.
Are Good Works Necessary for Salvation?
Read it and educate yourself.
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(08-16-2025, 11:34 PM)TheWay Wrote: Baptism: In the New Testament baptism is ALWAYS practiced AFTER saving faith in Christ. Baptism is not the means of salvation; it is faith in the Gospel that saves (1 Corinthians 1:14-18; Romans 10:13-17). The Roman Catholic church teaches baptismal regeneration of infants, a practice never found in Scripture.
Incorrect. Whole households were baptised in Jesus day.
"Whole households' would include children.
They are part of households.
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(08-16-2025, 11:34 PM)TheWay Wrote: Prayer: The Roman Catholic church teaches Catholics to not only pray to God, but also to petition Mary and the saints for their prayers. Contrary to this, we are taught in Scripture to only pray to God (Matthew 6:9; Luke 18:1-7). Furthermore, Catholics are taught to pray in a vain and repetitive manner, which is forbidden by God (Matthew 6:7).
Incorrect. Catholics do not pray in a 'vain and repetitive manner'. Each prayer is it's own and comes with it's own meditation. As for intercessory prayers ... scripture is clear that we are to pray for each other and ask others to pray for us. That's exactly what Catholics do when they ask the saints in Heaven to pray to God for them. The bible is clear that those saints who have died and gone to Heaven are awake, aware, and active.
Here
Scripture Catholic Intercessory Prayer
And here
Sirach 48:12-14 -
When Elijah was enveloped in the whirlwind,
Elisha was filled with his spirit.
He performed twice as many signs,
and marvels with every utterance of his mouth.[sup][ a][/sup]
Never in his lifetime did he tremble before any ruler,
nor could anyone intimidate him at all.
Nothing was too hard for him,
and when he was dead, his body prophesied.
In his life he did wonders,
and IN DEATH HIS DEEDS WERE MARVELOUS.
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08-17-2025, 06:12 AM
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(08-16-2025, 11:34 PM)TheWay Wrote: Priesthood: The Roman Catholic church teaches that there is a distinction between the clergy and the “lay people”, whereas the New Testament teaches the priesthood of all believers (1 Peter 2:9). Furthermore, Roman Catholic priests teach others to refer to them as “father”, a title that is reserved only for our earthly fathers and God; and the Pope as “Holy Father”, a title that is reserved only for God (Matthew 23:9, Exodus 20:12, James 2:21, Galatians 3:29).
These are the weakest and lamest attempts that anti-Catholics use against the Catholic church. The anti-Catholics get smug over this and think they are so superior, when in fact it just shows how they cherry pick and don't understand the bible at all. Comical really.
There is a priesthood of believers, which are everyone ... and then there is the ordained and anointed priesthood (Ministerial priesthood) called by God to lead the people. Jesus was very clear that He separated the priests from the people. He called forth 12 apostles who He ordained as His priests in His church. He taught them differently than the regular people. He called them to do things differently than the regular people. He blessed them differently than the regular people. He gave them abilities and gifts differently than the regular people. He told them things that He didn't tell the regular people. And when one lost his salvation (Judas) and died ... he was replaced (in ACTS) and ordained in a special way with his replacement having hands laid upon him and blessed by the other priests (apostles). Apostolic succession.
HERE
Quote:If all Christians are priests, then why do Catholics claim a ministerial priesthood essentially distinct from the universal priesthood? The answer is that God willed to call out a special priesthood among the universal priesthood to minister to his people. This concept is literally as old as Moses.
When Peter taught us about the universal priesthood of all believers, he specifically referred to Exodus 19:6, where God alluded to ancient Israel as “a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.” St. Peter reminds us that there was a universal priesthood among the Old Testament people of God, just as in the New Testament. But this did not preclude the existence of a ministerial priesthood within that universal priesthood (see Exod. 19:22, 28; Num. 3:1-12).
In an analogous way, we have a universal “royal priesthood” in the New Testament, but we also have an ordained clergy who have priestly authority given by Christ to carry out his ministry of reconciliation, as we have seen.
A final couple of texts we will consider are Matthew 16:19 and 18:18. Specifically, we’ll examine the words of Christ to Peter and the apostles: “Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” As the Catechism says, Christ here communicated to the apostles not only authority “to pronounce doctrinal judgments, and to make disciplinary decisions in the Church,” but also “the authority to absolve sins” (553).
And you completely don't understand what was meant by 'do not call man father'. Weak. Zero common sense. All through scripture the people call others 'father' and establish a father/son/child relationship though none exist physically.
Read here
Quote:He was using hyperbole (exaggeration) to show the scribes and Pharisees how sinful and proud they were for not looking humbly to God as the source of all authority and fatherhood and teaching, and instead setting themselves up as the ultimate authorities, father figures, and teachers.
Christ used hyperbole often, for example when he declared, “If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell” (Matt. 5:29, cf. 18:9; Mark 9:47). Christ certainly did not intend this to be applied literally, for otherwise all Christians would be blind amputees! (cf. 1 John 1:8; 1 Tim. 1:15).
Jesus is not forbidding us to call men “fathers” who actually are such—either literally or spiritually. He is warning people against inaccurately attributing fatherhood—or a particular kind or degree of fatherhood—to those who do not have it.
Romans 4:16 - Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. HE IS THE FATHER OF ALL OF US.
Joseph tells his brothers of a special fatherly relationship God had given him with the king of Egypt: “So it was not you who sent me here, but God; and he has made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house and ruler over all the land of Egypt” (Gen. 45:8).
Job indicates he played a fatherly role with the less fortunate: “I was a father to the poor, and I searched out the cause of him whom I did not know” (Job 29:16)
Acts 7:2, Stephen refers to “our father Abraham”
Romans 9:10, Paul speaks of “our father Isaac.”
Calling each other father/son/children was regularly done ...
Paul’s statement, “I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel” (1 Cor. 4:14–15).
Peter referred to Mark as his son: “She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings; and so does my son Mark” (1 Pet. 5:13).
Paul writes, “Here for the third time I am ready to come to you. And I will not be a burden, for I seek not what is yours but you; for children ought not to lay up for their parents, but parents for their children” (2 Cor. 12:14); and, “My little children, with whom I am again in travail until Christ be formed in you!” (Gal. 4:19).
John said, “My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous” (1 John 2:1); “No greater joy can I have than this, to hear that my children follow the truth” (3 John 4). In fact, John also addresses men in his congregations as “fathers” (1 John 2:13–14)
Quote:Paul regularly referred to Timothy as his child: “Therefore I sent to you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, to remind you of my ways in Christ” (1 Cor. 4:17); “To Timothy, my true child in the faith: grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord” (1 Tim. 1:2); “To Timothy, my beloved child: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord” (2 Tim. 1:2).
He also referred to Timothy as his son: “This charge I commit to you, Timothy, my son, in accordance with the prophetic utterances which pointed to you, that inspired by them you may wage the good warfare” (1 Tim 1:18); “You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus” (2 Tim. 2:1); “But Timothy’s worth you know, how as a son with a father he has served with me in the gospel” (Phil. 2:22).
Paul also referred to other of his converts in this way: “To Titus, my true child in a common faith: grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior” (Titus 1:4); “I appeal to you for my child, Onesimus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment” (Philem. 10). None of these men were Paul’s literal sons. Rather, Paul is emphasizing his spiritual fatherhood with them.
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(08-16-2025, 11:34 PM)TheWay Wrote: Sacraments: The Roman Catholic church teaches that a believer is infused with grace upon reception of the sacraments. Such teaching is nowhere found in Scripture. Incorrect. (and rather mundane in thought. You have no understanding of the spiritual. Taking part in the rites always has a spiritual effect).
Circumcision was a sacramental rite.
Baptism was/is a sacramental rite.
Communion was/is a sacramental rite. Instituted by Jesus at the Last Supper.
Forgiveness/confession was/is a sacramental rite. King David went to Gods anointed prophet to confess his sins and gain forgiveness. John 20:23 Jesus told the apostles whatever sins they forgive are forgiven and whatever they hold bound are held bound.
Sacraments read here
BaptismMatthew 3:16; Matthew 28:19; Acts 2:38 ConfirmationActs 8:14-17; Acts 19:3-6 EucharistMatthew 26:26-29; Luke 24:35; 1 Corinthians 11:24-27 Penance (Confession)John 20:22-23 Anointing of the SickJames 5:13-15 Holy OrdersLuke 22:19; Acts 6:3-6; 1 Timothy 3:1 MatrimonyGenesis 1:27; Matthew 19:4-6; Ephesians 5:31-32
There is always a spiritual effect when one takes part in a religious rite instituted by Christ.
God always blesses the person. To try to claim He wouldn't is absurd.
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Yeah, but do you disagree?
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08-17-2025, 06:37 AM
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(08-16-2025, 11:34 PM)TheWay Wrote: Confession: The Roman Catholic church teaches that unless a believer is hindered, the only way to receive the forgiveness of sins is by confessing them to a priest.
Dead wrong. Comically dead wrong. Seriously absurd.
Catholics can talk to God and apologize and receive Gods forgiveness.
Venial sins can be directly confessed to God.
So can mortal ones. (CCC 1458). The Code of Canon Law (CIC).
You do understand that there are two kinds of sins, right?
1 John 5:16-17, Luke 12:47-48 (mortal that lead to death, and venial that do not)
And both can be directly confessed to God.
In the case of mortal sins, the person should, if possible, use Gods anointed priest since Jesus set it up that way.
What the Early Church said about Confession of Sins
Christ anoints His priests with the power to forgive sins.
John 20:21-23 - Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” [sup] [/sup]And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. [sup] [/sup]If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
And we have James 5:14-15 that instructs the sick to have the elders of the church pray over them and anoint them in the name of the Lord. The prayer of faith will save the sick and their sins will be forgiven.
2 Cor 5:18 talks about the ministry of reconciliation - it's a ministry for the anointed priests - "All this is from God, who through Christ, reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation.
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