The Great Flood — Myth, Memory, or Something In Between?

[3rdrockfrmsun]

In other words, it's a pervasive engineering report across many cultures that has been co-opted to promote religious purposes. It's like pointing out a beautiful sunset and claiming God did that for us to demonstrate beauty.

Or maybe it’s the other way around — maybe people saw something profound and recognized the divine in it, instead of inventing divinity to explain it.
Ancient people weren’t stupid; they knew floods, stars, droughts, and sunsets long before anyone called them “religious.” What they did differently was attach meaning to those experiences — not because they lacked science, but because they understood awe.
The flood story isn’t propaganda. It’s a memory reframed through faith — the idea that survival itself was an act of grace. You can call that “co-opting,” but to the people who lived through it, it was revelation.

[ArMaP]

To Armap for some reason my quote function is not working?  

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I stopped when I saw they were talking about something that supposedly happened in the last 200 years and left no records.
The 1775 Lisbon earthquake was exactly 250 years (and 10 days) ago and has lots of references from all around Europe, how could something supposedly so big like that "mud flood" could happen with no records at all?

I worked construction for decades, I seen things that were very quickly covered up  that were many many many stories deep ,  I climbed this crane late in the am and smoked a joint at the very top of it when it was situated in the oil rig yard I worked at , takes a lot to scare me dude , plus I am barred from abseiling in the UK after some of my antics  on  monuments? ? .

I don't understand, how is that relevant to the topic?

As to the falsification of history and the time lines read some Sir Isack Newton , Velikovsky , or Formenko  to name a few .

I like to read, could you be more specific about what I should read?

[FlyersFan]

You are suggesting that people, thousands of years before Pythagoras and Copernicus, had the relatively recent concept that the Earth is a planet, and that similarly they had concepts of species, thousands of years before Mendel had observed and theorized about the rules of genetic inheritance,?

Nope.  Didn't say any such thing.  Not sure how your mind came up with that.

Those videos that I provided show the scientific and historical information that proves Noahs Flood did not happen in 2348BC like the bible literalists claim.  I suggest you watch them.  Start with the archeology one.  20 minutes.

[Bootless]

The flood story isn’t propaganda. It’s a memory reframed through faith — the idea that survival itself was an act of grace. You can call that “co-opting,” but to the people who lived through it, it was revelation.

After careful consideration, I have come to a certain conclusion:

The flood story, along with the Exodus story, as mentioned in New Testament scripture, leads to a narrowing of the definition of Christian Salvation.

Christian Salvation: The proposition that out of billions of mortal humans, a few handful may achieve Eternal Life. The rest will surely perish.

As Jesus is quoted in Matthew 7:

 13“Enter in by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter in by it. 14How narrow is the gate and the way is restricted that leads to life! There are few who find it.
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21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will tell me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?’ 23Then I will tell them, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.’

As the Epic of Gilgamesh teaches us, "The plant of eternal life is so very extremely difficult to find, but so easily snatched away while one is resting after the hard work."

Hebrews 11:

7 By faith Noah, being warned about things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared a ship for the saving of his house, through which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.

So as long as one person exists with such faith, all others are condemned.

And as the whole generation of Israelites (millions) perished in the wilderness with only Joshua and Caleb left alive to enter the promised land, so Paul warns in 1 Corinthians 10 :

 1 Now I would not have you ignorant, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 and were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 and all ate the same spiritual food; 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of a spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ. 5 However with most of them, God was not well pleased, for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

Since I don't believe that eternal life for mortals is actually a real possibility, that may leave one other person in my generation to make it.

But let me offer one suggestion: Do not engage in public prayer. For as Jesus is quoted in Matthew 6:

5 “When you pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Most certainly, I tell you, they have received their reward."

[FlyersFan]

The flood story, along with the Exodus story, as mentioned in New Testament scripture, leads to a narrowing of the definition of Christian Salvation.

yeah but neither actually happened as the bible describes.

There is zero evidence to support that 2 million Hebrew slaves left Egypt, got chased by the Egyptian army which all got wiped out, and then lived in the desert for 40 years.

[Bootless]

yeah but neither actually happened as the bible describes.

I know. I'm not as adept at reading the Bible as allegory as you are.

I'm trying though.

[3rdrockfrmsun]

After careful consideration, I have come to a certain conclusion:

That’s a well-written take, but you’ve drawn the wrong conclusion from it. The narrow gate isn’t God slamming the door — it’s people walking past it. If faith is rare, it’s because we make it that way. Every generation has its “Noah,” but most would rather mock the builder than pick up a hammer.

You quoted the verses about few being saved, but that’s not God’s desire — that’s human stubbornness on full display. The flood, the Exodus, and even Christ’s warnings all point to the same truth: God keeps extending mercy, but the majority choose convenience over conviction.

And if you don’t believe eternal life is real, then it makes sense you’d see the story as cruel or pointless. But to those who do believe, those stories aren’t about God destroying — they’re about God preserving what little faith remains when the world decides it doesn’t need Him anymore.
Maybe that’s the part modern people miss. We think “few will enter” means God shut us out, when in reality, most just stopped knocking.

[SurferSoul]

It’s really quite simple, the tales of a massive flood and things like the sun being blotted would only survive millennia's if it was a massive event, ancient people would have suffered natural disasters as we do today, indeed they would have been devastating but we don’t hear about a multitude of disasters passed down we here about a singular great flood. 

Imagine living hundreds or thousands of years ago and experiencing some natural disaster, maybe you would wonder why god or the gods had forsaken you, maybe you would think it was the end of the world. Then some old crone comes up to a says this is nothing compared to what happened in the days of old. That’s why the “myth” has survived the millennia. Why the bible included it because it would have been ridiculous to leave out something well known even at that time. The bible twisted it to make it about punishment for sin, just as invented heaven and hell. Just means of to behave by either punishment or reward. While there is much truth in the bible and people really should at least avoid the seven deadly sins, there is also much garbage. 

I think this is why isolated cultures across the world were so obsessed with the heavens, every time we passed through the torrid meteor shower they probably shat themselves. According to The Last Druid a short film available on to YouTube, the man claims that dolmens and such were originally built as bomb shelters. To protect people working in the fields or living in settlements from literal bombs falling from the sky. Only later were they adopted into burial and religious sites. Right or wrong it’s a compelling watch I highly recommend. 

We also know that cities generally develop near the coast or inland seas, low land plains that would bear the brunt of flooding from tsunamis. It wouldn’t just be tsunamis that devastated the lands either, if it was in fact a comet that hit the ice sheet and created a new mini ice age known as the younger dryas, the sun would have been blotted out by debris, crops would have failed, water became contaminated, the mass dye off would have been followed by famine and disease. 

All over the globe there are stone structures of some sort that are said to be Neolithic, pre history and writing, often toppled and in disarray until restored relatively recently. Why would primitive Neolithic people go to such efforts to construct these? Did they even have the capability? Or are these remnants of more advanced people that were knocked back into the Stone Age after some huge globally reaching disaster? 

Regardless the fact that global flood myths continued to survive to this day is enough for me to suggest there was actually something to the legends.

[3rdrockfrmsun]

https://www.the-express.com/news/world-n...-discovery

For those waiting on ground scans.

[FlyersFan]

https://www.the-express.com/news/world-n...-discovery

For those waiting on ground scans.

 Durupinar has been debunked a hundred times over.
Ron Wyatt, the anesthesiologist who faked being an acheologist, pushed Durupinar.
He has been debunked as a hoaxer and a liar with everything he did.
Andrew Jones from Noah's Ark Scans is along the same lines.
Noahs Ark Scans is not an independent archeology group but is a group with
a mission to confirm it's own bias.   A joke, really.