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The Great Flood — Myth, Memory, or Something In Between?
(11-16-2025, 11:01 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Over tens of thousands of years, humans around the world dealing with natural disasters are going to invent stories about them.   Flooding is a common natural disaster.

It need not be impossible to have organic flood myths in order for some flood myths to have been inspired by cultural exchange.
(11-16-2025, 10:14 AM)Solvedit Wrote: Why do you single out the flood this way?  The rest of the OT supports those concepts even if the flood narrative weren't there.  
Can it be enlightened moderns wish to impeach some of these concepts by coloring them founded primarily on an event which at best is hard to prove?  Possibly you've taken in some of the work of such a theologist?


That’s a fair question — and no, I’m not trying to elevate the Flood above the rest of the Old Testament as if the whole theological scaffolding collapses without it. You’re absolutely right that themes like covenant, judgment, mercy, corruption, and renewal appear throughout the OT independent of the Flood.
What I am saying is that the Flood ends up functioning as a theological prototype in a way many other stories don’t.
Think about it this way:
  • Creation establishes the relationship between God and humanity.
  • The Fall establishes the rupture.
  • The Flood establishes the first large-scale consequence + restoration cycle.
  • Abraham establishes the covenant with a people.
  • Exodus establishes covenant identity.
You can find echoes of these ideas elsewhere, yes — but the Flood is the earliest and most concentrated articulation of “humanity goes off the rails → God responds → God chooses mercy → the world restarts with a covenant promise.”
It is, in a sense, a template.
Later theology makes use of that template:
  • Peter explicitly calls the Flood typology for baptism.
  • Isaiah draws on it for covenant language.
  • Jewish tradition uses it as the archetype for divine patience.
  • Early Christians used it as a framework for understanding judgment and salvation.
That’s why the Flood often gets singled out — not because everything hinges on proving its literal mechanics, but because later theology repeatedly returns to it when articulating what God’s relationship with humanity looks like.
So the point isn’t:
“Without the Flood, none of these ideas exist.”
The point is:
“These ideas crystallize in the Flood narrative in a way that later scripture treats as foundational.”
As for “enlightened moderns wanting to impeach the concepts” — personally, no.
If anything, I think the theological themes survive just fine whether the flood was:
  • global,
  • regional,
  • mythologized memory, or
  • theological narrative built on shared ancient experiences.
The meaning doesn’t disappear because the mechanics are debated.
If anything, the debate forces us to sharpen what the text is trying to say — not erase it.
(11-16-2025, 10:03 AM)Solvedit Wrote: Conjecture to be sure.  Can it be there was a large-scale event which led to flood myths, though?  

Or, as 3rdrockfromsun put it,


Apparently, some Native American, African, and Australian Aboriginal societies have some version of a flood myth.  It may prove informative to try to track the expansion of belief in a worldwide flood (which shares features in common with the ancient Near East flood myths) to see if it could be traced back to a large-scale event.  Unfortunately, it may prove difficult to track when societies without stone tablets decided to believe in a given event.

It would be a challenging graphic... aligning flood myth with time and place of origin... linking them with each other through events and contact... I wonder how that would look?
(11-16-2025, 07:22 PM)Maxmars Wrote: It would be a challenging graphic... aligning flood myth with time and place of origin... linking them with each other through events and contact... I wonder how that would look?


If someone actually built a graphic of global flood traditions, it would be fascinating because you’d see that they don’t all come from one source. Mesopotamia and Israel would clearly connect—Genesis shares real literary DNA with Atrahasis and the Sumerian stories—but most other cultures’ flood narratives would simply sit on the map as independent nodes. A proper chart would show clusters popping up in Mesopotamia, Israel, Greece, China, South Asia, the Americas, and Oceania, with only a few actual lines of cultural contact between them. The timeline wouldn’t be uniform either: some Near Eastern texts reach back to the 2nd millennium BCE, while others appear centuries or continents apart. And that’s what makes the theological angle interesting—not that all these stories come from a single event, but that humanity keeps turning water, chaos, and destruction into moral meaning. Genesis then reframes that shared human symbol through covenant and purpose rather than randomness.
(11-16-2025, 09:14 PM)3rdrockfrmsun Wrote: If someone actually built a graphic of global flood traditions, it would be fascinating because you’d see that they don’t all come from one source. Mesopotamia and Israel would clearly connect—Genesis shares real literary DNA with Atrahasis and the Sumerian stories—but most other cultures’ flood narratives would simply sit on the map as independent nodes. 

What if some nations were importing slaves and they became a foundational sort of Im-Ho-Tep figure who had a disproportionate impact on their society?
(11-16-2025, 09:20 PM)Solvedit Wrote: What if some nations were importing slaves and they became a foundational sort of Im-Ho-Tep figure who had a disproportionate impact on their society?

Across a lot of early civilizations you see these “outsider-turned-culture-bearer” figures — scribes, architects, priests, storytellers — who enter a society through conquest, slavery, or migration and end up leaving a massive cultural imprint.
If flood memory is partly transmitted through population movements, then a single displaced group (or even a single influential individual) could absolutely seed a localized tradition that later evolves into something mythic.

It would line up with what we see in other myths: fragments of real events carried by people, magnified over generations, and woven into the host culture’s cosmology.
If anything, that makes the flood-myth network even more interesting — not just parallel stories, but stories carried by people whose lives were shaped by upheaval in the first place.