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Release All Files! - Part 1
(12-21-2025, 03:12 PM)andy06shake Wrote: Problem being your comparison collapses under basic scrutiny.

Maxwell was a wealthy, powerful adult who helped design, enforce, and carry out the will of her sick, perverted boss.

The young girls were groomed as minors into dependency and fear.

And she profited from their misery. 

Somewhat of a huge difference that matters.

And pretending motivation doesn't matter is simply lazy.

Power always matters.

Accountability isn't binary.

And recognising coercion isn't a "free pass." 

It's how responsibility actually works.

You keep flattening everything because it lets you feel morally tough while ignoring reality.

Equating predators with people shaped by abuse isn't principled, it's pathetic and cruel.

Let's face it
These grown ass "adults" aren't out there searching for the love of their lives
They are intentionally seeking, targeting and preying upon young,  vulnerable, susceptible , damaged girls or boys
To be dominated, overpowered, controlled, used, abused then thrown away like yesterday's garbage 
And not just a few victims. Hundreds maybe thousands 
This deviant behavior shouldn't be normalized
It's a sickness. A dangerous mental disease
Narcissism is described as a mental disorder 
Yet, in our societies, the most extreme cases are held in high regard
I've seen lots of excuses given as to why potential guilty parties should be let off the hook or forgiven
If this is the prevalent, underlying attitude, is it any wonder a certain segment of society gets away with everything?
(12-21-2025, 03:39 PM)Vermilion Wrote: Maxwell didn’t work for Epstein, she is independently wealthy (family money).
How do you know Maxwell’s spook dad didn’t subject her to physical and mental abuse?
She could have had worse things happen to her than Virginia, which shaped her abuse enough to compel her to seek out sexual escapades.

You might have an argument if Virginia was recruiting those girls to be trafficked by Epstein under threat, but it was for money.
Each and every time for money to the tune of hundreds of times.
All for money.

Maxwell didn’t earn a dime.
Devils advocate.

That's pure speculation, stacked on top of more speculation, and you know it.
 
Are you really inventing some kind of unseen abuse history for Maxwell to rescue her from responsibility, then demanding impossible standards of proof for the victims?
 
Funny how that works, eh?
 
I can only imagine it's because you're trying to create symmetry where none exists.

For whatever purpose I'm not quite sure, or even wan't to know.
 
As to the money situation, Maxwell didn't need to "earn a dime" to be guilty.

She helped run the entire shebang.
 
That doesn't mean she didn't profit from her victims in monstrous ways other than just money.
 
Super-rich people never do anything for nothing, which is something for you to consider.
 
You keep searching for excuses upward and blame downward.

I don't imagine we are ever going to see eye to eye on the matter.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
(12-21-2025, 03:53 PM)cherokeetroy Wrote: Let's face it
These grown ass "adults" aren't out there searching for the love of their lives
They are intentionally seeking, targeting and preying upon young,  vulnerable, susceptible , damaged girls or boys
To be dominated, overpowered, controlled, used, abused then thrown away like yesterday's garbage 
And not just a few victims. Hundreds maybe thousands 
This deviant behavior shouldn't be normalized
It's a sickness. A dangerous mental disease
Narcissism is described as a mental disorder 
Yet, in our societies, the most extreme cases are held in high regard
I've seen lots of excuses given as to why potential guilty parties should be let off the hook or forgiven
If this is the prevalent, underlying attitude, is it any wonder a certain segment of society gets away with everything?

Beasts can't be fixed or rehabilitated.

And a lot of the time, neither can the lives they choose to rape and ruin.

Power and super wealth simply enable them.

And help shield their depraved antics from the eyes of authorities.

Put rocks in their pocket and send them for a long walk off a short pier.

Is my thinking on the matter.  Saint2
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
(12-20-2025, 05:50 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: A Democrat administration sat on them for four years and wouldn't release them.
A Republican administration is sitting on them and redacting them.
And the Democrats are now also 'selectively' releasing instead of just letting it all go.
Everyone wants the files released except those in power on both sides.
Too many of their own in the files.
And .. unfortunately .. the people in power ON BOTH SIDES are going to win.
There will never be full disclosure on this.

The Clinton crime machine is still working behind the scenes for good reason.

Also for the Op never show anything from CNN as to many stories are a lie or just made up fake news made for a gullible consumer.   


(12-22-2025, 01:47 AM)Sky727 Wrote: The Clinton crime machine is still working behind the scenes for good reason.

Also for the Op never show anything from CNN as to many stories are a lie or just made up fake news made for a gullible consumer.   
If you cast your vote for Trump, you lose the right to label anyone as gullible.  Lol 

To begin with, I have no interest in Clinton; if he's guilty, he should be prosecuted. The CNN report you mentioned is neither a lie nor fake news; many of the documents were redacted.

You must consider, what is Trump attempting to conceal?
Absolute power corrupts absolutely no matter how they justify it.
(12-22-2025, 02:55 AM)Truthhurts Wrote: If you cast your vote for Trump, you lose the right to label anyone as gullible.  Lol 

To begin with, I have no interest in Clinton; if he's guilty, he should be prosecuted. The CNN report you mentioned is neither a lie nor fake news; many of the documents were redacted.

You must consider, what is Trump attempting to conceal?

At no time has any of the Epstein victims pointed a finger at Trump for doing anything illegal with a minor. The only people saying otherwise are Democrats who have much to hide (Clintons) or the paid Shrills at CNN. 

I did not watch the CNN report as I would rather bare handed pick up a freshly laid dog turd than waste my time listing to the clap trap of slanted if not out right lies they have become  internationally famous for. 

I suppose even they (CNN) have to plainly speak the truth on occasion but alas I could care less if they get sued out of business and their assets are sold off to "Whatever!" I am not interested in their B.S. period...

Edit to add: https://youtu.be/NbnAPtYp5r4 Clinton crime machine still at work as a Democrat administration sat on these pics for four years and wouldn't release them. You do not even have to strain your brain to see the games the Dens and liberal media are trying to play
(12-22-2025, 04:33 AM)Sky727 Wrote: At no time has any of the Epstein victims pointed a finger at Trump for doing anything illegal with a minor. 



I get that sadly some of the Epstein victims have committed suicide.  But this is what gets me.  If it’s about the Epstein victims, why isn’t anyone currently listening to them and getting their depositions to see how the system did them dirty.  You literally don’t need the botched paper work from botched investigations that were supposedly trying to protect Epstein in the first place.  You can still literally get first had accounts from victims.
(12-22-2025, 06:13 AM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: I get that sadly some of the Epstein victims have committed suicide.  But this is what gets me.  If it’s about the Epstein victims, why isn’t anyone currently listening to them and getting their depositions to see how the system did them dirty.  You literally don’t need the botched paper work from botched investigations that were supposedly trying to protect Epstein in the first place.  You can still literally get first had accounts from victims.

And that sounds reasonable until you think about it for five seconds.

Survivors have been interviewed, deposed, cross-examined, and re-traumatised for years.

A number of the poor sods may not want to relive it again for your imagined clean process.

And testimonies already exist in court records and civil suits.

Additionally, victim testimony alone doesn't replace documented evidence, financial trails, flight logs, and corrupted investigations.

You don't redo justice from scratch because the first attempt was sabotaged.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
(12-21-2025, 11:57 AM)Vermilion Wrote: I see this cult like behavior from the lefties and commies here daily, they don’t get a pass either.

If you could, then you would also see it in your own behaviour with your comments blaming victims for being manipulated and abused. All that so your dear old dozy Don isn't made to look bad!!  Thats very cultish
Quote:Victim blaming is the practice of holding the victim of a crime or wrongful act partially or wholly responsible for the harm they suffered, often ignoring the actions of the perpetrator.



 
"Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning." 
Charles Tremper



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