President Donald Trump participates in a roundtable on antifa

[FlyersFan]

The Reich wing ....

... weak ...

Reductio ad Hitlerum, or "playing the Nazi card," is a logical fallacy where someone invalidates an argument by claiming it shares a common attribute with Adolf Hitler or the Nazi Party.  This tactic distracts from the actual argument by comparing an idea to Nazism, a universally despised ideology, to discredit it without providing a sound counterargument. The fallacy's name is a variation of the logical technique reductio ad absurdum.

[ReturnofBroccoli]

I think there is a political version of The Dunning-Kruger effect where the most bias think their centered and the most centered think they're bias.

Or it's just defined halfway and comes off that way.

But I am not in the center. Let the fucking Buddhists contemplate their enlightenment under trees and erode their attachments on the middle ground.

I used to think I was centered.

Because it's not just decided by the X Axis of the financial system(commie/capitalism), but also the Y axis of the social system (Authoritarian/Freedom)

And I have no desire to to find the middle ground on that axis. Regardless of where all the elected presidents really are. America political is one the world's upper right. 

My view's have drifted down and left under Trump 2.0 as certain views become more important, but are still in the purple quadrant. 

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I went from +4.5, -2.5  to +2.0, -4.5 since 2023/2024.

On "I Side With" that seems to align with several conflicting ideologies between 70 and 80% at once. 

And that apparently all means I Side With The Green Party (74%), Forward Party(73%), No Labels(70%), Peace and Freedom(73%), Democrat. (70%), Socialism (68%)

Right/left seems more top/bottom than right/left.

The graph was made with someone else's agenda. How can you call your thoughts your own? 


And I mean that with the deepest respect and sincerity I have. Being unobjective and "centered" allows me to see things like that. You can never be truly centered within the game. The center comes from the outside looking in.
You are trapped by the graph itself. You limit yourself this way.

[Maxmars]

....

Where can I realistically affect change in this world as it is today?

Oh yes you can!  

Keep talking... it's the only way.

[ANNEE]

It makes me wonder.... the whole construct...

Fascism is bad... and Anti-fascism is bad too...

Someone, somewhere is either lying to themselves, or us.

Radical extremism is mostly bad.  The reason I say "mostly" is because I've watched civil disobedience in foreign countries and cheered on the the civilians.  Should I have been more knowledgeable of their government and supported the government?  Or were the civilians right in their efforts to over throw their government.

Fascism is a noun.  It has no action of it's own.  Someone has to generate the action.

[ReturnofBroccoli]

Radical extremism is mostly bad.  The reason I say "mostly" is because I've watched civil disobedience in foreign countries and cheered on the the civilians.  Should I have been more knowledgeable of their government and supported the government?  Or were the civilians right in their efforts to over throw their government.

Fascism is a noun.  It has no action of it's own.  Someone has to generate the action.

I would say defending ones self against their government *a current example would be indonesia* is not radical extremism but attacking ones government or federal employees when you are not being ruled over with an iron fist is indeed radical extremism that I think no one wants and takes a special level of mental health to participate in. To claim victim when you're not also spits in the faces of true victims everywhere.

Not getting personal by the way or saying you do that just generalizing thoughts and agreeing with you in some ways

[ANNEE]

I would say defending ones self against their government *a current example would be indonesia* is not radical extremism but attacking ones government or federal employees when you are not being ruled over with an iron fist is indeed radical extremism that I think no one wants and takes a special level of mental health to participate in. To claim victim when you're not also spits in the faces of true victims everywhere.

Not getting personal by the way or saying you do that just generalizing thoughts and agreeing with you in some ways

Right.  I'm not really defending radical extremism.

But I have to be aware and honest with myself that I've cheered for it in some circumstances.

NOTE:  "To claim victim when you're not also spits in the faces of true victims everywhere."  Agree -- but not always easy to ascertain when you're on the outside looking in.

[WallFlowerActive]

Right.  I'm not really defending radical extremism.

Looks like someone is funding it though.

GAI’s Seamus Bruner Reveals Left-Wing Funders Such as Roy Singham Behind Antifa Riots
 https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/...ifa-riots/

Be careful what you cheer.  It might be manufactured.  Not organic.  

[putnam6]

I'm Antifa. I was even voted one of the top 5 Antifa for 2018.

If you think a bunch of stoned genXers are a threat to your national security, you have already lost.

Not exactly worried about a single Antifa hanger on/ vote for/ types, you aren't infringing on legal Americans' rights or property

It's the hard-core anarchist types and the potential for foreign influence and financial support, as well as the radicalizing and manipulating of certain at-risk individuals...

That's my concern if it's not organic and or domestically financed, Ive got a huge issue with that shit.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

The graph was made with someone else's agenda. How can you call your thoughts your own? 


And I mean that with the deepest respect and sincerity I have. Being unobjective and "centered" allows me to see things like that. You can never be truly centered within the game. The center comes from the outside looking in.
You are trapped by the graph itself. You limit yourself this way.

Are you sure? 

You mean like: 

"Cant you see the ideological trap" or "agenda/control mechanism," or "you're bound by their definitions..." (insert not thinking for yourself) 

It gets an eyeroll and reminds me of every "satanist" (LHP) type person I've talked to and their delusion they have a "third side view."  Its hard to believe they are outside anything.  

Outside looking in comes off like a holier-than-thou approach that exonerates the person from thinking their views can also be plotted and analyzed on several subjective graphs.  

Ill keep my mundane metrics. 

I added it to try to differentiate social from economic in the American Right and Left. 

Note - I edited the graph to include where i think the populist American candidate spectrum overlays the global one.  

[ANNEE]

Looks like someone is funding it though.


Be careful what you cheer.  It might be manufactured.  Not organic.  

I'm not going to believe anything from Breitbart.