Plane collision with Blackhawk helicopter Washington DC - Political Debate

[Oldcarpy2]

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I see Trump is already playing politics about this tragedy and blaming DEI.

How sad is that?

[Zaphod58]

I see Trump is already playing politics about this tragedy and blaming DEI.

How sad is that?

The FAA said Thursday that staffing in the tower at DCA was "not normal". There was one controller operating in the tower, when normally two are required. They are allowed to operate with one, but it adds to their stress, and increases the chances of mistakes being made. Normally, one controller in the tower is handling helicopters flying in the area, and the second controller handles clearances for fixed wing aircraft. Instead they had one controller handling both types.

[sahgwa]

I see Trump is already playing politics about this tragedy and blaming DEI.

How sad is that?

He may be referring to the fact that the co-pilot was a transgender woman, I think they call them, when it is a guy transitioning to a 'girl' :



Edit to say that the main pilot, the crew chief O'Hara, also only had 1000 hours of flight time.   The co-pilot Ellis only had 500 hours.

@CaptainSteeeve
just dropped the most detailed breakdown yet of last night’s tragic mid-air collision in Washington, DC. He dissects the crash second by second, bringing expert insight as a pilot himself. His analysis makes it clear: this was NOT the fault of air traffic control or the passenger jet’s pilot. The Blackhawk helicopter acknowledged visual contact with the aircraft TWICE and took responsibility for safe navigation—yet still failed to avoid the collision.

[putnam6]

He may be referring to the fact that the co-pilot was a transgender woman, I think they call them, when it is a guy transitioning to a 'girl' :

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Edit to say that the main pilot, the crew chief O'Hara, also only had 1000 hours of flight time.   The co-pilot Ellis only had 500 hours.

@CaptainSteeeve
just dropped the most detailed breakdown yet of last night’s tragic mid-air collision in Washington, DC. He dissects the crash second by second, bringing expert insight as a pilot himself. His analysis makes it clear: this was NOT the fault of air traffic control or the passenger jet’s pilot. The Blackhawk helicopter acknowledged visual contact with the aircraft TWICE and took responsibility for safe navigation—yet still failed to avoid the collision.

Here's Jo Ellis she WAS NOT on board...

Just like DEI hires have to perform to high standards in critical positions, let's use rumored of possible till we know for sure. 

I am not a fan of DEI hires but that isn't certain here yet, even if so far evidence leads to possible Blackhawk pilot error.  Im still not comfortable critiquing service members till we are certain of all the facts

 

 
Carmine Sabia

@CarmineSabia
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Incorrectly accused Jo Ellis has posted a video this morning confirming it was not them who piloted the Blackhawk helicopter. Disinformation does damage and insults the memory of those who were lost. Please stop.

[sahgwa]

Here's Jo Ellis she WAS NOT on board...

Just like DEI hires have to perform to high standards in critical positions, let's use rumored of possible till we know for sure. 

I am not a fan of DEI hires but that isn't certain here yet, even if so far evidence leads to possible Blackhawk pilot error.  Im still not comfortable critiquing service members till we are certain of all the facts

 

Thank you for the possible correction; just collecting information, I am.
That's the problem with the Web, the initial claim may be false, the correction may be false too. 
A tragedy, either way...

[guyfriday]

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As far as this tragic accident goes, it reminds me of the one that crashed here in the 70s. The PSA 727 and the Cessna. Where a misidentification of the aircraft by one of the PSA pilots lead to the jet rear-ending the Cessna. Only in reverse, with the helicopter misindentifying another plane as the CRJ?

I don't think Trump was implying that a DEI hire was the issue, but rather that the policies that come along with the DEI theories were.
FAA embroiled in lawsuit alleging it turned away 1,000 applicants based on race

The Federal Aviation Administration was hit with a class-action lawsuit last year alleging it had denied 1,000 would-be air traffic controllers jobs because of diversity hiring targets — as it was revealed that staffing levels were “not normal” at the time of this week’s deadly midair collision.
 
Complaints about the FAA’s hiring policies resurfaced after the American Airlines passenger plane and a Black Hawk helicopter crashed in Washington, DC, on Wednesday, killing 67 people in the country’s deadliest aviation disaster in almost a quarter-century.
 
Details of the litigation re-emerged, too, as Andrew Brigida, the lead plaintiff in the suit, suggested the federal aviation agency’s obsession with diversity hiring and inclusion had only ensured that an accident was likely to happen.

The crux of the lawsuit is that the FAA, under the Obama administration, dropped a skill-based system for hiring controllers and replaced it with a “biographical assessment” in an alleged bid to boost the number of minority job applicants.

I think that the public looks at anything DEI related as having a person hired in through these DEI policies as being the issue, or in some cases a trans person, but the policies alone are the problems. We should focus on the issues and not who is saying what. 

A lot of people like to go after Trump because it's trendy to do so, but when Biden was a flat out racist those same people often looked away. Lets just deal with the issues here, if those DEI policies weren't in place then more people who were qualified for these types of jobs would have been hired, thus allowing for a fulling staffed tower on this night.

[putnam6]

Thank you for the possible correction; just collecting information, I am.
That's the problem with the Web, the initial claim may be false, the correction may be false too. 
A tragedy, either way...

EXACTLY, no worries im sure I was preconditioned after reading X.com and Reddit's longish threads like it is fact and it's not confirmed. Doesn't bother me because I know to wait and see, but we are dealing with a sometimes unbalanced and sensitive demographic that will overreact to any perceived negative attention to their cause, real or imagined. 

When they don't understand part of being "normal" is sometimes you are gonna catch shit whether it's justified or not, part of being normal is not giving a shit when that occurs.

[chr0naut]

I see Trump is already playing politics about this tragedy and blaming DEI.

How sad is that?

Exceptionally sad, but perhaps to be expected.

The guy is the oldest President that the US has ever had. He's a felon and has also been impeached more than any other US President.

I can't believe that a populous modern country would not make other, less compromised, choices. Surely there were very many.

[chr0naut]

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As far as this tragic accident goes, it reminds me of the one that crashed here in the 70s. The PSA 727 and the Cessna. Where a misidentification of the aircraft by one of the PSA pilots lead to the jet rear-ending the Cessna. Only in reverse, with the helicopter misindentifying another plane as the CRJ?

As far as a DEI hire, I doubt it. The tower was understaffed and the helicopter was probably camouflaged. It sounds like a few more staff might possibly have prevented the tragedy.

If anything, Trump himself is a bit too old, and intellectually challenged, especially in the demands of the role he finds himself in. A DEI hire, anyone?... But of course, if he's actually really a sock puppet, a front-man under the complete control of a new 'alternate' deep state?...

And, here's the thing that people seem to be missing - the blackhawk was supposedly conducting a "continuity of government" exercise. Which government would that be? Who might have ordered such an exercise, preparing to surreptitiously run into hiding from the White house? Who might ultimately be responsible for the circumstances that led to the crash?

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

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Well, poor Jo Ellis. I'm sure she is a fantastic aviator and Warrant Officer. Shame they dragged her through the mud to assign blame for the accident on liberal policy. Head is always in the right place.

Some people are obsessed or just repressed eternal haters running on an endless wheel of preoccupation. But luckily for all those most bigoted, Trump just made sure this career military aviator in false question gets her dreams taken away over a regimine of Estradiol. 'Merica

I really doubt there is a transgender grandmother clause.

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