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Old and New Testament, and Koran, as a mystical Egyptian initiation
#1
In the first book of the Old Testament, Genesis, Joseph was given a coat of many colors to symbolize his inheritance from his father. The sun is the source of all colors. His father was named Israel ("ra"), and he was put in charge of all of Egypt with the exception of Pharaoh's own throne. 

Jacob received the name Israel when he wrestled with a man alone until daybreak. Daybreak is when the sun begins. 

I believe that Jacob either achieved selflessness in the unconditionally loving spiritual essence of the sun, or prophesied the existence of such a "sun" (a selfless person, prideless with a heart emanating in all directions) in the future. That the Egyptian deities Ra & Set establish a jihad of the sun set, the tradition of the sun going underground so that it would be "set" in the sense of impossible to overturn by the time generally discovered. 

If Jacob wrestled with a man alone until daybreak, he defeated himself, selfishness, when he met the sun.

Earlier in the book of Genesis, 4:26, after Seth and Enosh (In or E In o sh) began men to encounter the Lord. Enosh was Seth's son. If an In o Sh, it remains silent and subtle about things not yet big enough to enclose the amoral animal nature of the elite itself: such as that fairness might actually pass. After Seth began men to encounter the Lord, after the sun set, or went underground. After Israel's jihad began.

The Book of Exodus begins the isolation of the Jewish people from the amoral animal example of most of the ancient world. Moses, whom leads the Jewish people out of Egypt, is called more humble than anyone else alive - meaning he had less pride. The Bible constantly disavows the sin of pride, and most of modern mysticism is about transcending the ego, which is fueled by pride.

Moses was also adopted into Egyptian royalty, so that Israel and Moses, the two most well reputed founders of Judaism according to the Book itself, were both directly connected to Egyptian nobility.

In Christianity, the seven churches are all in (a place called) Asia. They have names which symbolism could be projected into: F is Us, Smeer N/A (being slandered, and it isn't), Perg A Mum (purge of silence), Thyatira (a thyatir / a theater), Sour Dis begins Ch 3 ends Verse 6 (an angry Dis or Hades may have founded the 666 hustle), Philadelphia (I get - a phil ah delphi, like the delphic oracle, but admit this is very tenuous), and the last church, Laodicea / aLaod ice being criticized for being neither hot nor cold, cold nor hot, only lukewarm... fluctuating temperatures (global warming) inviting the spit of God.

Revelation 21:4 reads And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Meaning that if the "heathens" get infinite suffering (thrown into an eternal fiery pit), this punishment has to happen in a manner wherein there doesn't remain any suffering. One possibility: punished for their eye for an eye sins with suffering, then they permanently lose memory of their deeds immediately after - so that their punishment involved suffering and lasted forever. 

The first of the seven churches, Ephesus, is criticized for foresaking the love they had at first. Love at first is symbolically the heart before conditioning, without conditions. This may be the kind of love a late developmental stage fetus experiences - love without attachments. Love that doesn't need a reason to exist or expand.

The seven churches are in Asia, the continent where is concentrated the most modern mysticism. One definition of a mystic is a contemplative, someone who thinks deeply (meditation is a form of deep thinking) about spiritual matters. I believe Ephesus criticises modern Christians for failing to purify their heart through mysticism, and Revelation is intended to reveal the rest of scripture by making it obvious you have to think deeply about its symbolism to understand at least one book of the Book. 

The Koran's chapters are called "Sue Ras," as if suggesting it is possible to Sue Ra for the origin of the text. The law of Islam is established by the Sun, ah - of All, ah - as if indiscriminate love provides all places, information, and energy a conscience. 

Lucifer is the morning star, Christ is the morning star. Lucifer is the highest ranking angel of God, and is criticized for pretending to be God. Maybe Christ really is God, or never claimed to be.

There have for a confirmed fact been Bible typos. It is my opinion that the Ten Commandments were written in stone to minimize the probability of an eventual alteration to the code, from errors such as mistranslation, forgery, and well typos. I suspect the Koran to be the most accurate because the most recent addition to the Book. 

There could have been historic conspiracies to overturn the intended jihad of the Book, which could have itself been an attempt to control people as many suspect. 

My own personal persuasion is Sunni (Sun, I) denominational Sufi Muslim. I consider a symbolic God more probable than a literal God, and believe that this God lives through the deeds which correctly interpret Hir will. However, if a more literal God exists, with omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence in a different respect than I suspect - I have submitted to Its will and invited it into my heart as my Lord and Personal Savior.
#2
(12-15-2025, 11:22 PM)IzakielSturge Wrote: In the first book of the Old Testament, Genesis, Joseph was given a coat of many colors to symbolize his inheritance from his father. The sun is the source of all colors. His father was named Israel ("ra"), and he was put in charge of all of Egypt with the exception of Pharaoh's own throne. 

Jacob received the name Israel when he wrestled with a man alone until daybreak. Daybreak is when the sun begins. 

I believe that Jacob either achieved selflessness in the unconditionally loving spiritual essence of the sun, or prophesied the existence of such a "sun" (a selfless person, prideless with a heart emanating in all directions) in the future. That the Egyptian deities Ra & Set establish a jihad of the sun set, the tradition of the sun going underground so that it would be "set" in the sense of impossible to overturn by the time generally discovered. 

If Jacob wrestled with a man alone until daybreak, he defeated himself, selfishness, when he met the sun.

Earlier in the book of Genesis, 4:26, after Seth and Enosh (In or E In o sh) began men to encounter the Lord. Enosh was Seth's son. If an In o Sh, it remains silent and subtle about things not yet big enough to enclose the amoral animal nature of the elite itself: such as that fairness might actually pass. After Seth began men to encounter the Lord, after the sun set, or went underground. After Israel's jihad began.

The Book of Exodus begins the isolation of the Jewish people from the amoral animal example of most of the ancient world. Moses, whom leads the Jewish people out of Egypt, is called more humble than anyone else alive - meaning he had less pride. The Bible constantly disavows the sin of pride, and most of modern mysticism is about transcending the ego, which is fueled by pride.

Moses was also adopted into Egyptian royalty, so that Israel and Moses, the two most well reputed founders of Judaism according to the Book itself, were both directly connected to Egyptian nobility.

In Christianity, the seven churches are all in (a place called) Asia. They have names which symbolism could be projected into: F is Us, Smeer N/A (being slandered, and it isn't), Perg A Mum (purge of silence), Thyatira (a thyatir / a theater), Sour Dis begins Ch 3 ends Verse 6 (an angry Dis or Hades may have founded the 666 hustle), Philadelphia (I get - a phil ah delphi, like the delphic oracle, but admit this is very tenuous), and the last church, Laodicea / aLaod ice being criticized for being neither hot nor cold, cold nor hot, only lukewarm... fluctuating temperatures (global warming) inviting the spit of God.

Revelation 21:4 reads And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Meaning that if the "heathens" get infinite suffering (thrown into an eternal fiery pit), this punishment has to happen in a manner wherein there doesn't remain any suffering. One possibility: punished for their eye for an eye sins with suffering, then they permanently lose memory of their deeds immediately after - so that their punishment involved suffering and lasted forever. 

The first of the seven churches, Ephesus, is criticized for foresaking the love they had at first. Love at first is symbolically the heart before conditioning, without conditions. This may be the kind of love a late developmental stage fetus experiences - love without attachments. Love that doesn't need a reason to exist or expand.

The seven churches are in Asia, the continent where is concentrated the most modern mysticism. One definition of a mystic is a contemplative, someone who thinks deeply (meditation is a form of deep thinking) about spiritual matters. I believe Ephesus criticises modern Christians for failing to purify their heart through mysticism, and Revelation is intended to reveal the rest of scripture by making it obvious you have to think deeply about its symbolism to understand at least one book of the Book. 

The Koran's chapters are called "Sue Ras," as if suggesting it is possible to Sue Ra for the origin of the text. The law of Islam is established by the Sun, ah - of All, ah - as if indiscriminate love provides all places, information, and energy a conscience. 

Lucifer is the morning star, Christ is the morning star. Lucifer is the highest ranking angel of God, and is criticized for pretending to be God. Maybe Christ really is God, or never claimed to be.

There have for a confirmed fact been Bible typos. It is my opinion that the Ten Commandments were written in stone to minimize the probability of an eventual alteration to the code, from errors such as mistranslation, forgery, and well typos. I suspect the Koran to be the most accurate because the most recent addition to the Book. 

There could have been historic conspiracies to overturn the intended jihad of the Book, which could have itself been an attempt to control people as many suspect. 

My own personal persuasion is Sunni (Sun, I) denominational Sufi Muslim. I consider a symbolic God more probable than a literal God, and believe that this God lives through the deeds which correctly interpret Hir will. However, if a more literal God exists, with omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence in a different respect than I suspect - I have submitted to Its will and invited it into my heart as my Lord and Personal Savior.

The monotheistic Abrahamic faiths are vastly different to the Egyptian pantheon of 'gods' of all sorts of natural phenomena.

The real wonder is why, with Moses (meaning 'of the God...' in Egyptian) being a prince of Egypt, and with his being brought up in the royal houshold, that the first five books of the Bible that he authoured are so outstandingly un-Egyptian.
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(12-15-2025, 11:22 PM)IzakielSturge Wrote: The Book of Exodus begins the isolation of the Jewish people from the amoral animal example of most of the ancient world. 
Or, Exodus describes a pyschological journey from Egyptian religious ideas, not a physical journey from Egypt, which is not sustained by any actual evidence.

As for "Mystical Egyptian initiation", I would think that certain liturgical practices in modern religions may, and I stress may, have their origins in Egyptian temple ritual, and this itself was changed and transmitted via Hellenistic and then Roman mystery cults, and that of Serapis and Isis comes to mind, and then became at least inspirational for, if not actual, elements of Christian liturgy. Up until Pope Paul VI the coronation of a pope looked a lot like some scenes on Egyptian temple walls.
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(05-26-2026, 02:52 PM)Wepwawet Wrote: Or, Exodus describes a pyschological journey from Egyptian religious ideas, not a physical journey from Egypt, which is not sustained by any actual evidence.

As for "Mystical Egyptian initiation", I would think that certain liturgical practices in modern religions may, and I stress may, have their origins in Egyptian temple ritual, and this itself was changed and transmitted via Hellenistic and then Roman mystery cults, and that of Serapis and Isis comes to mind, and then became at least inspirational for, if not actual, elements of Christian liturgy. Up until Pope Paul VI the coronation of a pope looked a lot like some scenes on Egyptian temple walls.


No evidence, that’s a pretty sloppy statement 
And yes, looking at the ritual of Roman Catholic mass, can also see other A&NE faiths mixed in as well, not just Egyptian
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(05-26-2026, 05:43 PM)Creaky Wrote: No evidence, that’s a pretty sloppy statement 

But then where is the evidence for an Exodus from Egypt, nobody can pesent a shred of actual evidence whatsoever, and Hebrew writings/mythology are no more evidence for real events than the Amduat is for the existance of an afterlife.
#6
(05-27-2026, 01:17 AM)Wepwawet Wrote: But then where is the evidence for an Exodus from Egypt, nobody can pesent a shred of actual evidence whatsoever, and Hebrew writings/mythology are no more evidence for real events than the Amduat is for the existance of an afterlife.



In your opinion 
If you want to put your faith in the amduat, that’s fine by me, it is considered by many to be metaphorical
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(05-27-2026, 01:54 AM)Creaky Wrote: In your opinion 
If you want to put your faith in the amduat, that’s fine by me, it is considered by many to be metaphorical


It's not an opinion that there is no evidence to support the Exodus, there just are no facts, and if there were, you, anybody, could present them, but nobody does, and there's a reason for that.

I have no "faith in the Amduat", why would I when it is an afterlife text of a dead religion, and I'm not even a believer in any god or gods. The point of mentioning it was to say that Exodus has no more validity than the Amduat, it is entirely a matter of faith what you want to believe.
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(05-27-2026, 01:54 AM)Creaky Wrote: In your opinion 
If you want to put your faith in the amduat, that’s fine by me, it is considered by many to be metaphorical

A lot of the Bible has to be interpreted metaphorically as opposed to purely literally.

Take world floods and the tale of Noah's Ark, for instance...
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(05-27-2026, 01:54 AM)Creaky Wrote: If you want to put your faith in the amduat, that’s fine by me, it is considered by many to be metaphorical

Looking at the Amduat from the perspective of the works of Carl Jung, then yes, the Amduat is metaphorical, and by extention so to will all the other Netherworld Books. Even setting aside Jung, as the Netherworld Books vary so much from each other outside of a basic framework of the journey of Ra through the Duat, and passing through various regions, gates and caverns, then each book by itself cannot be the full picture, it can only be what a partucular king wants from it, and when we get into the 19th Dynasty they are mixing and matching from these books in their tombs. This in fact follows the long standing practice of commoners mixing and matching spells from the CT and BoD to meet their own tastes.

What an average Ancient Egyptian thought of them we can never know as they never made any commentaries on these books, so to what degree an Egyptian thought they were metaphorical, and not an accurate, to them, account of what the Duat was like, we cannot say. I would suspect that only a tiny number of them ever saw the entire picture and understood what it all meant, so I think that to all intents and purposes, all of the Netherworld texts, including the PT, CT and BoD should be viewed as being accurate depictions to the average AE, to the vast majority of the population. They would have believed implicitly that what is depicted as happening in the various regions and hours of the Duat, and of all the demons and other creatures, were real, as real as modern believers think that Heaven and Hell are real, and nobody amongst believers considers them to be metaphors, at least not to my knowledge.
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(05-27-2026, 04:38 AM)andy06shake Wrote: A lot of the Bible has to be interpreted metaphorically as opposed to purely literally.

Take world floods and the tale of Noah's Ark, for instance...


And your point?