Old and New Testament, and Koran, as a mystical Egyptian initiation

[andy06shake]

Yeah fine
Why not dismiss every book as possible fiction then?

Because some books are factual.

And some books are fiction.

Thats why.

I mean, you have been in a library before, Creaky.

Same reason they have different sections.

[Creaky]

Because some books are factual.

And some books are fiction.

Thats why.

I mean, you have been in a library before, Creaky.

Same reason they have different sections.

Are you deciding for me? 
In the local library, the bible isn’t in the fiction section where I live

[andy06shake]

Are you deciding for me? 
In the local library, the bible isn’t in the fiction section where I live

Are you suggesting you cannot tell the difference between fact and fiction?

The Bible is typically catalogued under religion, or theology, rather than fiction, isn't it? 

Mainly because it is treated as a religious text, and not a novel.

But that classification doesn't make the book full of unequivocal truths.

Or an actual collection of facts. 

Buddy, there is a talking donkey in there... 

[Creaky]

Are you suggesting you cannot tell the difference between fact and fiction?

The Bible is typically catalogued under religion, or theology, rather than fiction, isn't it? 

Mainly because it is treated as a religious text, and not a novel.

But that classification doesn't make the book full of unequivocal truths.

Or an actual collection of facts. 

Buddy, there is a talking donkey in there... 

Yeah, there is a talking donkey in there, some other things not to mention a man coming back to life, unbelievable 
You are the one stating unequivocal truth, not hearing it from this side

My issue is how you have denied a book, all history in that book. You have taken one event, a single event that lacks any physical evidence and wiped the books historical value altogether. Yet that book has many other events, historically proven
Seems odd

[andy06shake]

Yeah, there is a talking donkey in there, some other things not to mention a man coming back to life, unbelievable 
You are the one stating unequivocal truth, not hearing it from this side

My issue is how you have denied a book, all history in that book. You have taken one event, a single event that lacks any physical evidence and wiped the books historical value altogether. Yet that book has many other events, historically proven
Seems odd

The talking Donkey, or the Man? 

What makes you think i have "denied a book"? 

I actually think there is a lot of truth and great stories in the Bible.

But i also recognise it's a collection of religious tales and a work of Man as opposed to the actual word of God.

Prove me wrong. 

[Datguy]

Else, show your homework, please.

 

You have made a number of posts stating that there is evidence, but have failed to actually produce this evidence, a Youtube video is not and never will be evidence.

both of you have denied that I posted a video earlier in this thread, yet you have also stated that is not evidence simply because it is a video.
Hypocracy and ignorance hand in hand

Here... let me go to Egypt, get the evidence, then come to your house and explain it for you like you are children, might take a minute...
and yet you would still say there is no evidence...

I will pray for you both. Be good and have a great night!

[Randyvine]

Buddy, there is a talking donkey in there... 

Andy my good man I hope the day never comes that you curse the lies you've been taught.
Just a question: No wait, that might be condescending and I don't want that. I'm sure you
realize what you are doing. I'm sure you've read Moby Dick. I'm sure you didn't doubt there
was a whale in the story after you read it. Because Moby Dick is a story about a pssed off
whale. :) Taking out the whale in Moby Dick changes the whole story non fiction or fiction.

On top of that people would look at you with raised eyebrows. The same way I look 
at your words when you doubt what The Bible says an omnipotent God as done.
The same way Moby Dick is about a whale The Bible is about God and his abilities
outside the constraints of natural laws. You make yourself look foolish by doubting the
written word that everyone on the planet knows is about a Creator who makes all things
possible. Take that away and now you're rewriting it and good luck with that. In fact
why don't you rewrite both the Bible and Moby Dick?

Let me know when it's up in thread so I can make a few changes according to my own
personal doubts, inabilities and contempt for context. Also why on Earth would the
scriptures even include miracles like talking donkeys if they were meant to be taken
seriously? There must of been some reason of truth to it. Because if you and I wanted
to be taken at our word, we aren't gonna be making sht up about no damn talking
donkeys. The only way that's coming out of our mouth is if it were true and maybe
not even then. The fact these events are described, if intelligence serves, is more
reason to believe it's true NOT LESS.

Now let that sink in.

[Wepwawet]

 


both of you have denied that I posted a video earlier in this thread, yet you have also stated that is not evidence simply because it is a video.
Hypocracy and ignorance hand in hand

Here... let me go to Egypt, get the evidence, then come to your house and explain it for you like you are children, might take a minute...
and yet you would still say there is no evidence...

I will pray for you both. Be good and have a great night!

Er, no, I have not denied that you posted a video in this thread, and have in fact mentioned this in at least two posts. What I have said, and you know this full well, so why this histrionic charade, is that a Youtube video is not evidence. In my opinion, videos should not be used except for purposes of illustration, and my main objection is that often those who post a video with only minimal text in their thread are being lazy, and arrogant in expecting forum members to sit through a video, which can be quite long. Often these types of video are nothing more than propaganda, so no, I will not watch them as part of a discussion on a thread, it's up to the poster to make their case clearly in text.

Again you have made a post that is long on arrogance and insult, calling us children because we will not accept what you contend without evidence, and short on evidence, in fact, you have still failed to produce one iota of evidence whatsoever. Your personal beliefs, calling the Bible the "word of God" and so infallible, which is what you imply, is not evidence, it is a brick wall that you hide behind with your fingers in your ears and your eyes closed.

I'll ask this question again, have you read anything on this topic other than the Bible, or religious tracts that re-enforce the Bible. Do you have at least some reasonable knowledge about Ancient Egyptian history, can you read Exodus and find an era and context into which it could reasonably fit into Ancient Egyptian history. Have you read Assmann, not obligatory of course, but he was the leading scholar on this, and highly regarded.

[andy06shake]

 


both of you have denied that I posted a video earlier in this thread, yet you have also stated that is not evidence simply because it is a video.
Hypocracy and ignorance hand in hand

Here... let me go to Egypt, get the evidence, then come to your house and explain it for you like you are children, might take a minute...
and yet you would still say there is no evidence...

I will pray for you both. Be good and have a great night!

A 30-minute video is not evidence of much other than an opinion, I'm afraid.

The way the burden of proof works here is that if you make a claim.

You are required to provide "tangible" evidence to back up that claim.

Cheers for the prayers, all the same.

You have a good night also. 

[andy06shake]

Andy my good man I hope the day never comes that you curse the lies you've been taught.
Just a question: No wait, that might be condescending and I don't want that. I'm sure you
realize what you are doing. I'm sure you've read Moby Dick. I'm sure you didn't doubt there
was a whale in the story after you read it. Because Moby Dick is a story about a pssed off
whale. :) Taking out the whale in Moby Dick changes the whole story non fiction or fiction.

On top of that people would look at you with raised eyebrows. The same way I look 
at your words when you doubt what The Bible says an omnipotent God as done.
The same way Moby Dick is about a whale The Bible is about God and his abilities
outside the constraints of natural laws. You make yourself look foolish by doubting the
written word that everyone on the planet knows is about a Creator who makes all things
possible. Take that away and now you're rewriting it and good luck with that. In fact
why don't you rewrite both the Bible and Moby Dick?

Let me know when it's up in thread so I can make a few changes according to my own
personal doubts, inabilities and contempt for context. Also why on Earth would the
scriptures even include miracles like talking donkeys if they were meant to be taken
seriously? There must of been some reason of truth to it. Because if you and I wanted
to be taken at our word, we aren't gonna be making sht up about no damn talking
donkeys. The only way that's coming out of our mouth is if it were true and maybe
not even then. The fact these events are described, if intelligence serves, is more
reason to believe it's true NOT LESS.

Now let that sink in.

That's rather presumptuous, Randy, considering im on the fence about the existance of God. 

But if Moby-Dick proved whales exist because a book says so, then every school library is a zoological disaster.

That argument basically boils down to "the story contains miracles, therefore the miracles are true."

And by that logic, the more absurd the claim, the more convincing it becomes.

Talking donkeys? Strong evidence.

Dragons? Case closed.

Hogwarts? Fund the owl post office.

The people who wrote these tales included strange events because strange stories are memorable, meaningful, and persuasive.

Not because they came with CCTV footage.

The Bible being about God doesn't automatically prove every supernatural claim any more than Moby-Dick proves a giant vengeful whale stalked sailors.

Context matters pal, and so does evidence.

Otherwise, Shrek is a historical documentary...