New video shows officer's perspective in ICE shooting of Renee Good

[PorkChop96]

Ha one of the first conservative women I had a LTR with absolutely loathed the Clintons.

 I think her copy of Blood Sport had highlighted quotes, and citations. 

➝ Hillary (2008): "If they've committed a crime, deport them. No questions asked, they're gone."

➝ Obama (2014): "If you're a criminal, you'll be deported... sent back."

➝ Bill Clinton (1995): Standing ovation for "speeding up deportation" and "securing our borders."
 

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[ANNEE]

Pretty sure (at least this thread) is not about simple deportation.

But about the method being used.

[sahgwa]

Whatever happened to By Any Means Necessary? lololol

OK Sorry.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Pretty sure (at least this thread) is not about simple deportation.

But about the method being used.

Thats true. A few years after I moved from Arizona Obama took their governor to be DHS Secretary.

• Janet Napolitano (2009–2010): In fiscal year 2010 (her first full fiscal year), ICE reported over 392,000 removals.

• 2025 Administration (Kristi Noem/DHS): Data through late December 2025 indicated the administration had deported nearly 327,000 people since January 2025. 

So why didnt i care about Janet? Protest her deportations? She deported more than Kristi Noem!

I should be outraged. 

"Invisible" vs. Visible Enforcement: 

Much of the high deportation rate under Napolitano was achieved through expanded, behind-the-scenes programs like "Secure Communities," which used biometric information to identify criminal aliens in local jails, rather than high-visibility "worksite raids" or neighborhood sweeps.

It was her policy to keep it veiled to not terrify immigrant communities. Pick 'em up in the holding cell. And not detain them at Green Card interviews or in front of their children. 

And she achieved better numbers going after criminal aliens and did it without the spectacle. 

At a time everyone was calling Obama a Kenyon Socialist she ran The DHS better without instilling fear. Did it through "big brother biometrics" and low visibility apprehension methods. 

No unrest caused. Conservative media was too busy teabagging the country and demanding birth certificates.

Trump uses visible sweeps that attempt to normalize federal intervention. Attempts to normalize a police state.  Insurrection Act always an option for deployment.

So...  Let me appeal to sensibility.

*IF* BETTER numbers can be achieved the Napolitano way, WHY is there even a need for these very public unrest causing sweeps, if its not solely to create a nationalist spectacle to justify more of the normalization of a police state? 

She deported everything Noem was doing without the Russia Today-like Official Statements, propaganda commercials, and instilled STATE OF FEAR.

There was never the statements glorifying "our heroic ICE agents cleaning up the streets againsts traitors." 
Never a quasifascist angle of enemies to purge. They didnt seek headlines for her departments methods. 

And as a result there was no sensationalized scapegoating or civil unrest caused.  There were no polarizing mass raids to rile up people and create shortsighted martyrs to increasingly lose our shit over.

like, I'm not pissed An ICE agent shot a woman who tried to block and engage them as much as im pissed America has descended into a culture where those type of situations are provoked by a deliberate and unnecessary type of federal enforcement... that normalizes the police state and makes all the worst headlines. 

I'm pissed because his methods are tailored for civil conflict and schism.

And i convinced myself standing up to it (with internet words) could stop Brahman as the avatar of Shiva for some silly reason... before it's too far gone.

[Vermilion]

Thats true. A few years after I moved from Arizona Obama took their governor to be DHS Secretary.

So why didnt i care about Janet? Protest her deportations? She deported more than Kristi Noem!

I should be outraged. 

It was her policy to keep it veiled to not terrify immigrant communities. Pick 'em up in the holding cell. And not detain them at Green Card interviews or in front of their children. 

And she achieved better numbers going after criminal aliens and did it without the spectacle. 

At a time everyone was calling Obama a Kenyon Socialist she ran The DHS better without instilling fear. Did it through "big brother biometrics" and low visibility apprehension methods. 

No unrest caused. Conservative media was too busy teabagging the country and demanding birth certificates.

Trump uses visible sweeps that attempt to normalize federal intervention. Attempts to normalize a police state.  Insurrection Act always an option for deployment.

So...  Let me appeal to sensibility.

*IF* BETTER numbers can be achieved the Napolitano way, WHY is there even a need for these very public unrest causing sweeps, if its not solely to create a nationalist spectacle to justify more of the normalization of a police state? 

She deported everything Noem was doing without the Russia Today-like Official Statements, propaganda commercials, and instilled STATE OF FEAR.

There was never the statements glorifying "our heroic ICE agents cleaning up the streets againsts traitors" shit.  Never a quasifascist angle of enemies to purge. She didnt seek headlines for her departments methods. 

And as a result there was no sensationalized scapegoating or civil unrest caused.  There were no polarizing mass raids to rile up people and create shortsighted martyrs to increasingly lose our shit over.

like, I'm not pissed An ICE agent shot a woman who tried to block and engage them as much as im pissed America has descended into a culture where those type of situations are provoked by a deliberate and unnecessary type of federal enforcement... that normalizes the police state. 

I'm pissed because his methods are tailored for civil conflict and schism.

“Removals” are not the same as “deportations”.

Look it up.

[ANNEE]

That's true. A few years after I moved from Arizona . . . 

Ahhhh -- you went from CA to AZ -- me too.

Lived on the southern border for 30 years.  As far as actual infrastructure at the border -- it was Obama that did that.

Used to walk across the border -- go to lunch -- no problem -- no checks -- at one point only needed a drivers license.  Today -- have to have a passport.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

“Removals” are not the same as “deportations”.

Look it up.

Just did...
 

In official U.S. immigration terminology, removals are formal deportations, while returns are voluntary departures without a formal legal order.

Full 2009:

Formal Removals (Deportations): Approximately 393,289 individuals.

This figure represented the formal legal process of expelling non-citizens, which carries legal penalties for attempting to re-enter the U.S.

Voluntary Returns (Non-Removals): Approximately 580,107 individuals.

These individuals were allowed to return to their home countries without a formal order of removal, typically after being apprehended at the border. They were generally non-criminals who waived their right to a hearing.

Total Enforcement Actions: Combined, there were 973,396 total removals and returns in 2009.

I dont think Noem's numbers are higher.

Yet, no unrest was caused by polarizing sweeps with bias media coverage when Janet did it. It wasn't part of Obama's divide and conquer policy to do it that way. 

They just wanted to enforce immigration behind the scenes without prioritizing raids or visible action.

[putnam6]

Thats a bit disingenuous 

It was hidden because none of the Democrats or Republicans bitched about it,
nor did our MSM, TV, or newspaper
nor was it hyped online as it is right now.

There are 4-5 social media channels broadcasting live when and wherever something pops up 

That CNN ICE follow along piece contemporaneously has a totally different tone than the news now. WHY?




Because it was popular for both parties, well, that and Obama had complete local law enforcement help

 As well as JD Vance pointed out, Obama counted deportations for what were turnbacks at the border.

[ANNEE]

Thats true. A few years after I moved from Arizona Obama took their governor to be DHS Secretary.

So why didnt i care about Janet? Protest her deportations? She deported more than Kristi Noem!

I should be outraged. 

It was her policy to keep it veiled to not terrify immigrant communities. Pick 'em up in the holding cell. And not detain them at Green Card interviews or in front of their children. 

And she achieved better numbers going after criminal aliens and did it without the spectacle. 

At a time everyone was calling Obama a Kenyon Socialist she ran The DHS better without instilling fear. Did it through "big brother biometrics" and low visibility apprehension methods. 

No unrest caused. Conservative media was too busy teabagging the country and demanding birth certificates.

Trump uses visible sweeps that attempt to normalize federal intervention. Attempts to normalize a police state.  Insurrection Act always an option for deployment.

So...  Let me appeal to sensibility.

*IF* BETTER numbers can be achieved the Napolitano way, WHY is there even a need for these very public unrest causing sweeps, if its not solely to create a nationalist spectacle to justify more of the normalization of a police state? 

She deported everything Noem was doing without the Russia Today-like Official Statements, propaganda commercials, and instilled STATE OF FEAR.

There was never the statements glorifying "our heroic ICE agents cleaning up the streets againsts traitors." 
Never a quasifascist angle of enemies to purge. They didnt seek headlines for her departments methods. 

And as a result there was no sensationalized scapegoating or civil unrest caused.  There were no polarizing mass raids to rile up people and create shortsighted martyrs to increasingly lose our shit over.

like, I'm not pissed An ICE agent shot a woman who tried to block and engage them as much as im pissed America has descended into a culture where those type of situations are provoked by a deliberate and unnecessary type of federal enforcement... that normalizes the police state and makes all the worst headlines. 

I'm pissed because his methods are tailored for civil conflict and schism.

And i convinced myself calling it out could stop Brahman in the Avatar of Shiva for some silly reason... before its too far gone.

Absolutely!  Great post.

Trump has to have a flashy show.

Everything he does has to have a flashy show.

[quintessentone]

Thats true. A few years after I moved from Arizona Obama took their governor to be DHS Secretary.

So why didnt i care about Janet? Protest her deportations? She deported more than Kristi Noem!

I should be outraged. 

It was her policy to keep it veiled to not terrify immigrant communities. Pick 'em up in the holding cell. And not detain them at Green Card interviews or in front of their children. 

And she achieved better numbers going after criminal aliens and did it without the spectacle. 

At a time everyone was calling Obama a Kenyon Socialist she ran The DHS better without instilling fear. Did it through "big brother biometrics" and low visibility apprehension methods. 

No unrest caused. Conservative media was too busy teabagging the country and demanding birth certificates.

Trump uses visible sweeps that attempt to normalize federal intervention. Attempts to normalize a police state.  Insurrection Act always an option for deployment.

So...  Let me appeal to sensibility.

*IF* BETTER numbers can be achieved the Napolitano way, WHY is there even a need for these very public unrest causing sweeps, if its not solely to create a nationalist spectacle to justify more of the normalization of a police state? 

She deported everything Noem was doing without the Russia Today-like Official Statements, propaganda commercials, and instilled STATE OF FEAR.

There was never the statements glorifying "our heroic ICE agents cleaning up the streets againsts traitors." 
Never a quasifascist angle of enemies to purge. They didnt seek headlines for her departments methods. 

And as a result there was no sensationalized scapegoating or civil unrest caused.  There were no polarizing mass raids to rile up people and create shortsighted martyrs to increasingly lose our shit over.

like, I'm not pissed An ICE agent shot a woman who tried to block and engage them as much as im pissed America has descended into a culture where those type of situations are provoked by a deliberate and unnecessary type of federal enforcement... that normalizes the police state and makes all the worst headlines. 

I'm pissed because his methods are tailored for civil conflict and schism.

And i convinced myself calling it out could stop Brahman in the Avatar of Shiva for some silly reason... before its too far gone.

You were not outraged because those immigrants most likely got more due process than the immigrants of today. Therein lies the difference.