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(06-10-2025, 03:22 PM)sahgwa Wrote: No he doesn't ; you are forgetting about Belarus which would allow troops.
You're also forgetting about Kaliningrad, something useful could be done with that.
At any rate this conversation is moot because it's based on MSM inspired fearmongering, which itself is based on money-grubbing propaganda.
No it is not. Putin said it himself and is doing the fearmongering.
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06-10-2025, 04:07 PM
This post was last modified: 06-10-2025, 04:11 PM by Oldcarpy2. 
(06-10-2025, 03:55 PM)sahgwa Wrote: I am not sure why this stranger is my boy, but he is a member of Ukrainian parliament, so I think he would want peace more than a foreign politician would. If he says someone sabotaged peace talks then I would trust him over someone protesting their innocence 2 years later?
None of this is any use in changing minds.
I dont think Putin should have invaded, but I am not going to disregard Western prodding for war either.
Stranger? He was your source for your claim about Boris, when you posted this as your source:
https://europeanconservative.com/article...eace-deal/
Sagwha wrote:
"Russia was ready to end the war and withdraw its troops in exchange for Ukrainian neutrality just a few months after the invasion began and was refused partly because of ex-British PM Boris Johnson, who pressured Kyiv into continuing the fight, David Arahamiya, the leader of Ukraine’s ruling party confirmed in a recent interview, published on Friday, November 24th. https://europeanconservative.com/article...eace-deal/
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(06-10-2025, 04:07 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Stranger? He was your source for your claim about Boris, when you posted this as your source:
https://europeanconservative.com/article...eace-deal/
Sagwha wrote:
"Russia was ready to end the war and withdraw its troops in exchange for Ukrainian neutrality just a few months after the invasion began and was refused partly because of ex-British PM Boris Johnson, who pressured Kyiv into continuing the fight, David Arahamiya, the leader of Ukraine’s ruling party confirmed in a recent interview, published on Friday, November 24th. https://europeanconservative.com/article...eace-deal/ i apologise if the text format is confusing.
he is a stranger to me regardless of if i read his words on the internet.
hence confusion at him being my boy. a lot of that gets bandied about and i am not sure why .
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(06-10-2025, 03:58 PM)quintessentone Wrote: No it is not. Putin said it himself and is doing the fearmongering.
I don't really keep up on what the latest pronouncements from the Kremlin are; can you please share where Putin says he is thinking about annexing or invading Baltic countries?
Thank you!
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(06-10-2025, 04:26 PM)sahgwa Wrote: I don't really keep up on what the latest pronouncements from the Kremlin are; can you please share where Putin says he is thinking about annexing or invading Baltic countries?
Thank you!
Then you can't really speak about it, now can you? Do your research.
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Sahgwa wrote:
"I apologise if the text format is confusing.
he is a stranger to me regardless of if i read his words on the internet.
hence confusion at him being my boy. a lot of that gets bandied about and i am not sure why ."
He was your source for your claim about Boris supposedly "ordering" Ukraine to reject supposed peace talks.
Simple as that
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06-15-2025, 11:58 PM
This post was last modified: 06-16-2025, 12:05 AM by Arby. 
(06-10-2025, 04:26 PM)sahgwa Wrote: I don't really keep up on what the latest pronouncements from the Kremlin are; can you please share where Putin says he is thinking about annexing or invading Baltic countries?
Thank you! If you're only asking what Putin says about it, your thinking is too narrow. Putin communicates not only through the words coming out of his own mouth, but through his mouthpieces who say things that Putin wants them to say, that he's reluctant to say himself. For example, Medvedev often says things that Putin wants to communicate, but Putin doesn't want it coming from his own mouth. Same with Russian propaganda machine, especially Solovyev and Simonyan, you can see them with translated subtitles on Russian media monitor.
Back to the Baltics, Medvedev was pretty blunt and Solovyov's talk about denazification of the Baltics sounds a whole lot like his talk about denazification of Ukraine:
https://www.rfunews.com/articles/tension...he-baltics
"Russian officials, including former president of Russia, Dmitry Medvedev, now deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council, have repeatedly questioned the sovereignty of the Baltic countries. Medvedev declared that the Baltic states belong to Russia and accused NATO of harboring anti-Russian intentions.
State television host Vladimir Solovyov has gone even further, stating that these countries don't need independence and that their sovereignty is a joke. Such statements are not isolated; they reflect a coordinated campaign to frame the Baltics as illegitimate states and NATO’s eastern flank as a battleground ripe for denazification, a chilling repeat of the Russian justification for its war on Ukraine.
The term denazification is particularly troubling, as it has historically been used by Russia as a pretext for aggression. Prior to its 2022 invasion of Ukraine, Moscow framed its war aims in identical terms, alleging that Kyiv needed to be cleansed of Nazis despite Ukraine being a functioning democracy with a Jewish president. Now, with similar language being used against Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, the fear is that these statements may not be mere propaganda but early signs of a more expansive regional strategy."
So history may not repeat itself, but it often rhymes, and Russian talk about denazification of the Baltics is the same kind of talk we heard from Russia about Ukraine, sound familiar?
Regarding whether Boris Johnson had any influence in Ukraine's peace agreements with Russia, Zelensky denies that but moreover I can't see how it matters either way. Let's say "your boy's" story is true for the sake of argument and Zelensky is lying about Johnson not influencing him. You realize that Putin doesn't keep his agreements, don't you? So what difference would that make? Zelensky said Russia was asking for concessions he simply couldn't agree to which certainly sounds quite credible as that's exactly what Russia is still doing to this day, such as asking Ukraine to surrender the 4 oblasts that Russia claims but hasn't yet been able to take by military force. Ridiculous!
Zelensky comments on rumors that Boris Johnson thwarted the peace agreement between Ukraine and Russia
https://baltimorechronicle.com/politika/...nd-russia/
"In an interview with the British publication The Guardian, the Ukrainian leader denied rumors that Boris Johnson, who was then the head of government, Great Britain, in the spring of 2022, dissuaded him from a peace treaty with Russia.The president revealed that Moscow had issued ultimatums several times, to which he had never agreed, NBN writes.
The guarantor said that Johnson had not influenced his decisions in any way. The head of state denied allegations that the British politician had come to Kyiv in April 2022 to guarantee Ukraine's refusal to sign a peace agreement with Russia, which was discussed at the talks in Istanbul in March. Zelensky drew attention to the fact that the Kremlin dictator really likes this story.
The leader of the Ukrainians added that the real pressure on Kiev to sign a peace agreement with Moscow had already dissipated by the time of Johnson's visit, in addition, in April the Defense Forces had already driven the invaders out of the suburbs of the capital."
So who to believe, Zelensky, or "your boy" who says Johnson did influence him?
I say it doesn't matter either way, because even if there was a peace agreement, Putin would break it, he always does. They already had an agreement, the Budapest memorandum, if Putin kept that, he never would have attacked Ukraine! Zelenskyy claims Putin has broken something like 25 agreements he has made already.
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(06-10-2025, 04:24 PM)sahgwa Wrote: i apologise if the text format is confusing.
he is a stranger to me regardless of if i read his words on the internet.
hence confusion at him being my boy. a lot of that gets bandied about and i am not sure why .
It is those intimidating yoga poses that you strike. The men fear your control of the Kalas and losing their woman. I have this problem also. Just enamour them and be done with the matter.
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(06-15-2025, 11:58 PM)Arby Wrote: If you're only asking what Putin says about it, your thinking is too narrow. Putin communicates not only through the words coming out of his own mouth, but through his mouthpieces who say things that Putin wants them to say, that he's reluctant to say himself. For example, Medvedev often says things that Putin wants to communicate, but Putin doesn't want it coming from his own mouth. Same with Russian propaganda machine, especially Solovyev and Simonyan, you can see them with translated subtitles on Russian media monitor.
Back to the Baltics, Medvedev was pretty blunt and Solovyov's talk about denazification of the Baltics sounds a whole lot like his talk about denazification of Ukraine:
https://www.rfunews.com/articles/tension...he-baltics
"Russian officials, including former president of Russia, Dmitry Medvedev, now deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council, have repeatedly questioned the sovereignty of the Baltic countries. Medvedev declared that the Baltic states belong to Russia and accused NATO of harboring anti-Russian intentions.
State television host Vladimir Solovyov has gone even further, stating that these countries don't need independence and that their sovereignty is a joke. Such statements are not isolated; they reflect a coordinated campaign to frame the Baltics as illegitimate states and NATO’s eastern flank as a battleground ripe for denazification, a chilling repeat of the Russian justification for its war on Ukraine.
The term denazification is particularly troubling, as it has historically been used by Russia as a pretext for aggression. Prior to its 2022 invasion of Ukraine, Moscow framed its war aims in identical terms, alleging that Kyiv needed to be cleansed of Nazis despite Ukraine being a functioning democracy with a Jewish president. Now, with similar language being used against Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, the fear is that these statements may not be mere propaganda but early signs of a more expansive regional strategy."
So history may not repeat itself, but it often rhymes, and Russian talk about denazification of the Baltics is the same kind of talk we heard from Russia about Ukraine, sound familiar?
Regarding whether Boris Johnson had any influence in Ukraine's peace agreements with Russia, Zelensky denies that but moreover I can't see how it matters either way. Let's say "your boy's" story is true for the sake of argument and Zelensky is lying about Johnson not influencing him. You realize that Putin doesn't keep his agreements, don't you? So what difference would that make? Zelensky said Russia was asking for concessions he simply couldn't agree to which certainly sounds quite credible as that's exactly what Russia is still doing to this day, such as asking Ukraine to surrender the 4 oblasts that Russia claims but hasn't yet been able to take by military force. Ridiculous!
Zelensky comments on rumors that Boris Johnson thwarted the peace agreement between Ukraine and Russia
https://baltimorechronicle.com/politika/...nd-russia/
"In an interview with the British publication The Guardian, the Ukrainian leader denied rumors that Boris Johnson, who was then the head of government, Great Britain, in the spring of 2022, dissuaded him from a peace treaty with Russia.The president revealed that Moscow had issued ultimatums several times, to which he had never agreed, NBN writes.
The guarantor said that Johnson had not influenced his decisions in any way. The head of state denied allegations that the British politician had come to Kyiv in April 2022 to guarantee Ukraine's refusal to sign a peace agreement with Russia, which was discussed at the talks in Istanbul in March. Zelensky drew attention to the fact that the Kremlin dictator really likes this story.
The leader of the Ukrainians added that the real pressure on Kiev to sign a peace agreement with Moscow had already dissipated by the time of Johnson's visit, in addition, in April the Defense Forces had already driven the invaders out of the suburbs of the capital."
So who to believe, Zelensky, or "your boy" who says Johnson did influence him?
I say it doesn't matter either way, because even if there was a peace agreement, Putin would break it, he always does. They already had an agreement, the Budapest memorandum, if Putin kept that, he never would have attacked Ukraine! Zelenskyy claims Putin has broken something like 25 agreements he has made already.
We will see, but the Russians also have a tendency to bluster. I hope nothing comes of it.
Anecdotally, that brings to mind, my friend collected Nazi memorabilia and he got an SS Totenkopf ring from I believe it Was Lithuania, so the Russians aren't wrong, either.
It just is what it is, historically, with the populations there.
That is no excuse to invade a sovereign country of course.
I find it funny to see 'behind the scenes/conspiracy talk' vehemently denied years later in the MSM. It's almost as if it's true but it looks bad, so they have to 'protest too much' . If it was wrong, and its been 2 or 3 years, why not let it die? The truth outs.
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(06-16-2025, 08:50 AM)sahgwa Wrote: We will see, but the Russians also have a tendency to bluster. I hope nothing comes of it.
Anecdotally, that brings to mind, my friend collected Nazi memorabilia and he got an SS Totenkopf ring from I believe it Was Lithuania, so the Russians aren't wrong, either.
It just is what it is, historically, with the populations there.
That is no excuse to invade a sovereign country of course.
I find it funny to see 'behind the scenes/conspiracy talk' vehemently denied years later in the MSM. It's almost as if it's true but it looks bad, so they have to 'protest too much' . If it was wrong, and its been 2 or 3 years, why not let it die? The truth outs.
You are right, they do bluster, but then we have to watch their actions along with or without their words.
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