Mind parasites

[MonkMode]

I was on Depakote ER for two years with my epilepsy, worst medication I ever took, even worse than the Lamictal they gave me when they found I was so badly intolerant to the Depakote.  My teeth pushed up from the Depakote after about a year, the uneven teeth broke easily, had six capped, then six months later, thirteen more had broken.  I guess in animals if it eats something that is harmful, the teeth will erupt to disuade the animal from eating that food....from research I read about this issue after I was taken off anti-epileptics by the Neurologist.  I also had bad responses to the Lemictal.  I also had my legs turn all black below the knees.

The fourth class of medicine I took had different but just as bad side effects,  and the neurologist said I was too nice of guy to kill so they discontinued it.  The first med I was given by a different neurologist at first was ok, but that went bad after about a year too.  That was Topamax.  It had a weird side effect though, many of my scars I had over the years from cuts and injuries kind of disappeared from the Topamax.....After I got a little more clear headed when I was off all the anti-epileptics I researched that coincidence too, and it actually was something science had noticed in people. 

Blocking sodium and calcium channels is not a good thing, especially with me, genetically I lack an anti-diuretic hormone so my sodium took a dive with one medicines...no energy, and with the other, my calcium took a dive.  Both going so far down make it so you can't get off the couch and it is hard standing up when you roll on the floor on your knees.   One point seven percent inuit genetics seems to have a great effect on taking meds, P450 enzymes are different than most people.  Plus, with this genetics, if you have two beers, you pee out five times as much when you are at the bar.  Same goes for coffee, after three cups I am peeing every fifteen minutes for an hour and a half, everytime I go from hot to cold or cold to hot, I got to pee.

I'm used to it though, Knowing where bathrooms are at stores is essential if the temp is different in the store than outside by quite a bit...also AC is not good in a car, too many piss stops.

I was mostly just sharing that info as an indication/correlation that some anti psychotic meds seem to also be anti TG.

I am not on any meds.

But I got some experience trying to detox from these little screw balls by means of… ahem… “fasting”

It never feels like the screw balls and sement are gonna let go.

Feels like they keep trying to milk my prostate.  It is like healing from a million tiny mosquito bites up my ass.  Trying to clear that zone is like parting the Red Sea.

Never feels like I get all the piss out either, I could stand over the toilet for an hour (if I had the time) and there is always more drips of piss that I can relax out of me.  I call this activity, an orgasm in reverse.  As orgasms would tend to tighten these little screw balls, and spackle on more sement, causing the retention of more and more piss and shit, quitting orgasms loosens the same pressure points, resulting in a seemingly never ending urge to piss and shit — coupled with a bunch of screwballs and sement fighting against that urge to the death.

TMI?

[Maxmars]

We are still in the early stages of reconciling the apparently metaphysical state of human existence and the physical mechanics that limit our lives.  Is human form a "vehicle," or are we in and of ourselves "separate or distinct" from physical life?  Or are all such perception part of a perceptual illusion, spun up naturally to make life able to detach and move forward.

We try desperately to merge them into a single thing (based on the mind-virus that we can measure anything.)

All of our cultures and sciences insist that we can somehow "know" everything... Perhaps we can... perhaps we really can't.

I prefer to model my estimations about these kind of illnesses particularly, to a framework of...

The human body - in it's entirety - is a collection of dynamic ecosystems... some patently symbiotic (raising an entire new set of questions,) others only approximating that cooperation... exploiting the system, and being exploited by the system (the body) itself... the biological 'quid pro quo.'

Sounds like the evolutionary parallel of "negotiation."

This parasite must not be unique... there must be 'families' of such creatures... start the research there... (just a layman's guess) ... instead of how can this old chemical we once distilled from oil can be "made" into a new marketable pharmaceutical... (where the objective of the research is not about the disease, but the drug.)  That's where many research tax-dollars are going... (improving their products.)

Worked with scientist for most of two careers... talk about stuck between a rock and a hard place... too bad universities are not their friends...

Diseases that affect human behavior are terrible.  They change more than the patient's life... they change the lives of their families, and even their para-families.  There is a predilection to treat the psychological symptoms first... no surprises there.

Who said this? 

"A health care system led and controlled by the pharmaceutical industry will never cure anything..."?  

To which I would add... "but treatments will be so many, that they'll have to start advertising drugs like new candy bars."

[IgnorantGod]

We are still in the early stages of reconciling the apparently metaphysical state of human existence and the physical mechanics that limit our lives.  Is human form a "vehicle," or are we in and of ourselves "separate or distinct" from physical life?  Or are all such perception part of a perceptual illusion, spun up naturally to make life able to detach and move forward.

We try desperately to merge them into a single thing (based on the mind-virus that we can measure anything.)

All of our cultures and sciences insist that we can somehow "know" everything... Perhaps we can... perhaps we really can't.

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Who said this? 

"A health care system led and controlled by the pharmaceutical industry will never cure anything..."?  

To which I would add... "but treatments will be so many, that they'll have to start advertising drugs like new candy bars."

Great post, thanks for sharing your point of view. Not only are drugs advertized like candy, they look like candy... And some taste like candy.

I'd say 'human' is both the body and the mental framework that come with its physical capacity/complexity. In this case, the 'self' would be a useful illusion for survival purpose.

Now, I've mentioned a few time that physically unconventional entity. While as far as I know, I haven't met anything that would make me believe in metaphysical critters (except in a dream, but I have some reservation on its nature for obvious reasons), I believe plausible that there is 'something' that lives with humans, and cannot exists without them believing its existence.

Whether there is such entity or not, I think its reasonable to assume that those symbiotes/parasites that live within the body can, and probably do alter or influence to a certain extent, human's thoughts, as some experiments suggests.

[Maxmars]

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Now, I've mentioned a few time that physically unconventional entity. While as far as I know, I haven't met anything that would make me believe in metaphysical critters (except in a dream, but I have some reservation on its nature for obvious reasons), I believe plausible that there is 'something' that lives with humans, and cannot exists without them believing its existence.

Whether there is such entity or not, I think its reasonable to assume that those symbiotes/parasites that live within the body can, and probably do alter or influence to a certain extent, human's thoughts, as some experiments suggests.

Traditions made mythology describe such phenomena from many cultural perspectives, (often heavily influenced by the authors)... but it is not an 'unheard of' phenomenon.

Axiomatically accepting them as an element of reality changes many personal narratives.

Part of me always seeks to 'normalize' the impression in my head ...  "if this is real..." failing to embrace the reality that there may be, in fact, many different kinds of things in this wilderness... expectations can be treacherous.

[IgnorantGod]

Axiomatically accepting them as an element of reality changes many personal narratives.

That sounds like Jacques Vallee's control loop. Like there's a feedback loop between reality and perception of it, both trying to meet each other's expectation/value.

Well, now it makes me wonder if such feedback loop could occur between a parasite/symbiote and its host?

[Maxmars]

That control loop hadn't occurred to me... although it seems cyclical in nature (if not spiral) and exerts palpable effects which could be symbolized as control.

Frankly, I'm operating so deep inside this topic that I'm suffering from imposter syndrome... I am only supposing and conjecturing through my own process... please don't misconstrue me as professing any true knowledge... I'm not that guy.

[IgnorantGod]

That control loop hadn't occurred to me... although it seems cyclical in nature (if not spiral) and exerts palpable effects which could be symbolized as control.

Frankly, I'm operating so deep inside this topic that I'm suffering from imposter syndrome... I am only supposing and conjecturing through my own process... please don't misconstrue me as professing any true knowledge... I'm not that guy.

No worry here. This thread is all about speculations, and don't hold anyone's opinion more or less 'true' than mine.

At the end of the day, I don't have a horse in this race. Whether its mind over matter, matter over mind, or parasites all the way down, I'm fine with it.

As for Vallee's control loop, the 'control' is strictly in data values in awareness. It seems mythos and the observer both feed their own reaction to the other as control data value in a feedback loop. Hence why it has the tendency to show what the observer 'expect'. Christian will see Christ, atheists see aliens, etc.

Anyway, thanks for your insightful comments, this is the reason why I made this thread!

Cheers!

[Nerb]

We are still in the early stages of reconciling the apparently metaphysical state of human existence and the physical mechanics that limit our lives.  Is human form a "vehicle," or are we in and of ourselves "separate or distinct" from physical life?

The analogy of a "vehicle" is very fitting me thinks, unfortunately we are made of food that isn't very strong in the long run. Perhaps why our evolution towards longevity must involve merging with machines not made of food but the Soul is the part that cannot be replaced in "The Human Condition" and is a fundamental part of "who" we are, not "what" we are. An ironic yet beautiful "Caveat" me thinks, because not everyone can grow one in their time on this ball of dirt.