Isreal launches strikes on Iran

[WallFlowerActive]

Did it ever occur to you that some other country may supply Iran with a nuclear weapon?

To what benefit to democracy?  And human rights?  To benefit whom?

Why not just give the Ukraine nuclear weapons.

[quintessentone]

To what benefit to democracy?  And human rights?  To benefit whom?

Why not just give the Ukraine nuclear weapons.

I don't want to get off topic here, but my main point was that countries that engage in war and possess nuclear weapons do, in fact, act as a deterrent to using those weapons.

[WallFlowerActive]

I don't want to get off topic here, but my main point was that countries that engage in war and possess nuclear weapons do, in fact, act as a deterrent to using those weapons.

Where Iran doesn’t care about deterrence.  Iran cares about protecting and spreading Islam by martyrdom.  And cares little in protecting basic human rights, freedom of religion, freedom of speech.

Your video claims Isreal wanted Iran as a “territory”.  If Isreal wanted territory in the context of your video, Isreal would have started with Egypt decades ago. 

The world benefits from a relatively secular Isreal promoting democracy staying a country to catch flack.  The world doesn’t benefit from Iran getting nuclear weapons.

[SurferSoul]

Yes they'll go on killing themselves and blowing up planes, taking hostages, occasional attacks here and there and spouting off total sh*t. But non of them can now let off a mushroom cloud and that's all that counts. Iran now joins your list.

So you think Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria were going to acquire and drop nuclear weapons? Where did you get this BS from? The so called weapons of mass destruction, supposedly in Iraq was proven to be just an excuse to invade. 

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The claim that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD) was later proven to be false. Following the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, extensive searches by the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC) and the Iraq Survey Group (ISG) failed to find any of the alleged stockpiles of WMDs. The United States effectively ended the search for unconventional weaponry in 2005, and the Iraq Intelligence Commission concluded that the judgments of the U.S. intelligence community regarding the continued existence of WMDs and an associated military program were mistaken. The official findings of the CIA in 2004 stated that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein "did not possess stockpiles of illicit weapons at the time of the U.S. invasion in March 2003 and had not begun any program to produce them".

None of those countries were even remotely a threat to the US ever. Neither is Iran.

[quintessentone]

Where Iran doesn’t care about deterrence.  Iran cares about protecting and spreading Islam by martyrdom.  And cares little in protecting basic human rights, freedom of religion, freedom of speech.

Your video claims Isreal wanted Iran as a “territory”.  If Isreal wanted territory in the context of your video, Isreal would have started with Egypt decades ago. 

The world benefits from a relatively secular Isreal promoting democracy staying a country to catch flack.  The world doesn’t benefit from Iran getting nuclear weapons.

How did you miss my point? It is Israel and now the U.S. that have the luxury about not caring about deterrence because Iran does not have a nuclear weapons, which have been proven to deter their enemies from war actions and were steered to actual peace talks.

Case in point: North Korea potential involvement and why the U.S. ignore their long-range missiles that threaten the U.S. - why? because they have nuclear weapons which act as a deterrent -

"If North Korea begins supplying weapons or intelligence to Iran, this could lead to a more militarized response from the U.S., potentially including cyber operations, intelligence surveillance, or joint drills with South Korea and Japan."

North Korea’s Ties with the U.S.: What Happens if It Supports Iran? - Washington Morning

[WallFlowerActive]

How did you miss my point?

Isreal probably has nuclear weapons.  And has been under missile, rocket, mortar, and terrorist attacks for years.  Where groups were openly attacking shipping lanes.

the US had nukes on 9/11.  

What nukes are deterring governments from what founded on protecting Islam through martyrdom instead of basic human rights.

[WallFlowerActive]

Case in point: North Korea potential involvement and why the U.S. ignore their long-range missiles that threaten the U.S. - why? because they have nuclear weapons which act as a deterrent -

Other than getting dangerous with their “missile testing”.

Has North Korea directly attacked by missile other countries? Does North Korea directly support and supply groups actively launching missiles into other countries for the only purpose of killing civilians. Has North Korea directly sponsored and suppled the attacking of shipping lanes?

Again.  North Korea supposedly supports not exploiting workers.  Vs Iran that totally embraces martyrdom.

[quintessentone]

Isreal probably has nuclear weapons.  And has been under missile, rocket, mortar, and terrorist attacks for years.  Where groups were openly attacking shipping lanes.

the US had nukes on 9/11.  

What nukes are deterring governments from what founded on protecting Islam through martyrdom instead of basic human rights.

I didn't say possessing nukes deters governments from any behaviours other than thinking twice about using those nukes against each other during intense periods of conflict and having a better chance at promoting peace talks.

If you want to talk terrorism then start a new thread, because terrorism is worldwide and comes in many different forms with many different ideological aims. Demonizing a peoples or a country is par the course during war from both sides.

[WallFlowerActive]

How did you miss my point?

Russia has threatened using nukes as a deterrent to supplying the Ukraine.  How is that working out.

[putnam6]

Other than getting dangerous with their “missile testing”.

Has North Korea directly attacked by missile other countries? Does North Korea directly support and supply groups actively launching missiles into other countries for the only purpose of killing civilians. Has North Korea directly sponsored and suppled the attacking of shipping lanes?

Again.  North Korea supposedly supports not exploiting workers.  Vs Iran that totally embraces martyrdom.

Yep, and considering China keeps North Korea supplied with virtually everything, Kim Jong Un won't do shit, unless China tells them too.