Israel approves plan to seize all of Gaza

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It's sound anyhoo.

Trump, Tony Blair, and the ""board of peace"" to the rescue.

What could possibly go wrong? 

"Wash, rinse, repeat."

"After the First World War, the League of Nations granted quasi-colonial authority over former Ottoman territories to Great Britain and France, with Gaza becoming part of the British Mandate of Palestine.[sup][100][/sup]During the 1929 Palestine riots, the Jewish Quarter of Gaza was destroyed and most of Gaza's fifty Jewish families fled the city.

In the 1930s and 1940s, Gaza underwent major expansion, with new neighborhoods, such as Rimal and Zeitoun being built along the coast, and the southern and eastern plains. Areas damaged in the riots underwent reconstruction. Most of the funding for these developments came from international organizations and missionary groups"

History of Gaza - Wikipedia

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"Wash, rinse, repeat."

...1929 Palestine riots...

Wow, history does, indeed, rhyme:

a series of demonstrations and riots in late August 1929 in which a longstanding dispute between Palestinian Arabs and Jews over access to the Western Wall in Jerusalem escalated into violence, which also involved the British authorities. According to some historians, the uprising was also triggered by the refusal of Zionist leaders to accept British offers of shared representation in Palestine which was accepted by the Arab leadership. Scholars have also pointed to the transfer of land to the Jewish National Fund, which, along with rising concerns over land sales and immigration, contributed to socioeconomic anxieties that helped fuel the outbreak

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Palestine_riots

100 years of no progress. For peace, that is.

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Wow, history does, indeed, rhyme:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Palestine_riots

100 years of no progress. For peace, that is.

For real peace, that is.

Will there be another 100 years of no progress?

I think so if a two-state resolution is not achieved.

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I’m sorry ReturnofBroccoli, I didn’t mean to post and run. It was late for me.

I worked with Turks, Jordanians Lebanese and a couple of Syrians while overseas who would speak about the Palestinian issue at length over coffee. They would talk about taking the people into their country and communities and almost instantly the neighborhood would become lawless, disheveled and dangerous.

I haven’t been to these places myself, that’s why I can only speak about what I was told. They said that the men were no better than packs of wild dogs, they never said anything bad about the women. 

I have since spoken to some Lebanese people who have again said the same things, saying that this is one of the reasons why they immigrated here. 

Anyhow, as usual, my 2 pesos…

Tecate

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I’m sorry ReturnofBroccoli, I didn’t mean to post and run. It was late for me.

I worked with Turks, Jordanians Lebanese and a couple of Syrians while overseas who would speak about the Palestinian issue at length over coffee. They would talk about taking the people into their country and communities and almost instantly the neighborhood would become lawless, disheveled and dangerous.

I haven’t been to these places myself, that’s why I can only speak about what I was told. They said that the men were no better than packs of wild dogs, they never said anything bad about the women. 

I have since spoken to some Lebanese people who have again said the same things, saying that this is one of the reasons why they immigrated here. 

Anyhow, as usual, my 2 pesos…

Tecate

That sounds like the symptoms and outcomes of any peoples being under occupation for so long and poverty, which many are ignoring.

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You could be right, but that doesn’t excuse the behavior, it highlights the socioeconomic status and nonconformity that results from their previous experience.

The people were given housing, healthcare and job opportunities and chose to stay feral.

Meh, like I said, I never saw the issue first hand, but have been told about it numerous times…


Tecate

[KrustyKrab]

That sounds like the symptoms and outcomes of any peoples being under occupation for so long and poverty, which many are ignoring.

They’ve had so many opportunities it’s ridiculous.  They chose to be governed by terrorist every time.   They could’ve transformed Gaza into a nice place and even had a prosperous tourism industry but nope, they built tunnels and funded terrorist to govern them instead.   They’re not the victims they claim to be, they’ve had lots of options and opportunities but pissed them all away.

[IDELB2006]

For real peace, that is.

Will there be another 100 years of no progress?

I think so if a two-state resolution is not achieved.

The Palestinians lost there opportunity for a two state solution.

The majority of Israelis no longer support giving statehood to the people that keep trying to kill them.

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My thoughts on Trump's Gaza Peace Plan:

Trump's plan does rely on Hamas agreeing to that concept. Hamas has the option of ignoring the peace offering and remaining glued to its current strategy. Hamas' successful propaganda campaign and left-wing international opposition to the war in Gaza forced Israel to end the war, which is their current playbook. If Hamas' current strategy bears fruit, they will rule post-war Gaza.


Let's assume the proposed Gaza peace deal goes ahead: 

Paul Bremer and the Coalition Provisional Authority were an epic disaster in post-Saddam Iraq. Why would such a concept work any better in Gaza?! 

The stabilisation military mission would likely prop up Palestinian leaders who aren't connected to Gaza. The local population would oppose that move and mount an insurgency against the sitting government. 

Rebuilding Gaza is a highly problematic notion—the requirement to prevent international funds from vanishing into third-world corruption and cronyism sinkholes is ignored. 

Lastly, the notion that international recognition is the key to a successful and vibrant Palestinian state is nonsensical. Statehood is a discipline and not a birthright. One only needs to examine how Taiwan and Zimbabwe fared after 1980 to demonstrate my point. Moreover, I don't discount the geopolitical barriers Taiwan faces to international recognition, but that isn't a barrier to the country's development, otherwise.  

The Palestinian Authority's corrupt African-style rule over the West Bank is an underrated historical trainwreck. The people in the West Bank are denied the chance to live in the Middle Eastern Taiwan or the Somaliland.

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They’ve had so many opportunities it’s ridiculous.  They chose to be governed by terrorist every time.   They could’ve transformed Gaza into a nice place and even had a prosperous tourism industry but nope, they built tunnels and funded terrorist to govern them instead.   They’re not the victims they claim to be, they’ve had lots of options and opportunities but pissed them all away.

They chose from what choices were given to them by Israel:

"For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our facesThe premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from""For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.
 The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.
 
Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad."

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it's blown up in our faces | The Times of Israel
 
Hamas may very well surrender but this will be far from over.

Wash...rinse...repeat.