Is Telepathy real?

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Edgar Cayce described Atlantis as a highly advanced ancient civilisation with powerful technology.

How does the Bimini Road equate to anything reminiscent of the sorts, considering it may very well be a natural geological formation?

And he predicted that parts of Atlantis, especially near the Bahamas and Bimini, would resurface, as far as im aware that did not happen.

Thoughts are indeed fundamentally electrochemical signals. 

Can they be manipulated or recorded, quite possibly, but that still would not equate to telepathy as we understand the concept.

Technology, on the other hand, it would seem to tick that box.

This is what Cayce actually prophesized:

"The position as the continent Atlantis occupied, is that as between the Gulf of Mexico on the one hand - and the Mediterranean upon the other. Evidences of this lost civilization are to be found in the Pyrenees and Morocco on the one hand, British Honduras, Yucatan and America upon the other. There are some protruding portions within this that must have at one time or another been a portion of this great continent. The British West Indies or the Bahamas, and a portion of same that may be seen in the present - if the geological survey would be made in some of these - especially, or notably, in Bimini and in the Gulf Stream through this vicinity, these may be even yet determined.                    —Edgar Cayce Reading 364-3"

Edgar Cayce on Atlantis - A.R.E. of New York Edgar Cayce Center - Events, Workshops, Health & Healing Online Center

That's a lot of area to check to see whether or not new land has arisen.
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Is telepathy thought? What is thought?

[andy06shake]

This is what Cayce actually prophesized:

"The position as the continent Atlantis occupied, is that as between the Gulf of Mexico on the one hand - and the Mediterranean upon the other. Evidences of this lost civilization are to be found in the Pyrenees and Morocco on the one hand, British Honduras, Yucatan and America upon the other. There are some protruding portions within this that must have at one time or another been a portion of this great continent. The British West Indies or the Bahamas, and a portion of same that may be seen in the present - if the geological survey would be made in some of these - especially, or notably, in Bimini and in the Gulf Stream through this vicinity, these may be even yet determined.                    —Edgar Cayce Reading 364-3"

Edgar Cayce on Atlantis - A.R.E. of New York Edgar Cayce Center - Events, Workshops, Health & Healing Online Center

That's a lot of area to check to see whether or not new land has arisen.
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Is telepathy thought? What is thought?

That's kind of because just like with all prophecy, it's rather vague and inconsistent at best.

Suffice to say, Atlantis did not rise once again from the sea, and that is true today as it was in the 1960s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Cayce

Telepathy claims mind-to-mind communication.

And a thought is an internal process in the brain.

That can't be transferred directly between people without language or other sensory input. 

As far as i can establish, that's not the same thing, and telepathy remains unproven.

People wish telepathy to be true because it would represent the ultimate shortcut to human connection and empathy.

But that's not how people understand things or form deep connections in the first place.

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That's kind of because just like with all prophecy, it's rather vague and inconsistent at best.

Suffice to say, Atlantis did not rise once again from the sea, and that is true today as it was in the 1960s.

Telepathy claims mind-to-mind communication.

And a thought is an internal process in the brain.

That can't be transferred directly between people without language or other sensory input. 

As far as i can establish, that's not the same thing, and telepathy remains unproven.

People wish telepathy to be true because it would represent the ultimate shortcut to human connection and empathy.

But that's not how people understand things or form deep connections in the first place.

I know a thought is an internal process in the brain, but what exactly is it composed of if not atoms? It is a real thing, right, but what is it?

[andy06shake]

I know a thought is an internal process in the brain, but what exactly is it composed of if not atoms? It is a real thing, right, but what is it?

 
I think you have already suggested that a thought is comprised of electrical signals and chemical changes between neurons.

That's what the article you posted also seems to imply.

The thought itself isn't made of atoms.

But the brain cells and chemicals that produce the thought are made of atoms. 

I mean, you can't pick them up or weigh them, but we can observe their effects in the brain with tools like MRI and an EEG.

Telepathy not so much.

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I think you have already suggested that a thought is comprised of electrical signals and chemical changes between neurons.

That's what the article you posted also seems to imply.

The thought itself isn't made of atoms.

But the brain cells and chemicals that produce the thought are made of atoms. 

I mean, you can't pick them up or weigh them, but we can observe their effects in the brain with tools like MRI and an EEG.

Telepathy not so much.

Let's theorize that telepathy, consciousness and thought may have a foothold in quantum mechanics, therefore also in entanglement. 

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"Orchestrated Objective Reduction Theory (Orch OR)
 The Orchestrated Objective Reduction (Orch OR) theory, proposed by physicist Roger Penrose and anesthesiologist Stuart Hameroff, suggests that consciousness originates at the quantum level within neurons, specifically in cellular structures called microtubules. Unlike conventional theories that attribute consciousness to neural network complexity, Orch OR posits that consciousness arises from non-computable quantum processes.
 Core Concepts
 
The theory integrates quantum mechanics, neuroscience, and molecular biology. It proposes that quantum states in microtubules—tiny structures within neurons—undergo a process called objective reduction (OR). This reduction is influenced by spacetime geometry, as theorized by Penrose's quantum gravity framework. The "orchestration" refers to how proteins, such as microtubule-associated proteins (MAPs), regulate these quantum states.
 
Microtubules are hypothesized to act as quantum processors, with qubits formed by oscillating dipoles. These oscillations, driven by electric or magnetic forces, enable quantum superposition and entanglement. The collapse of these quantum states is theorized to connect non-computational decision-making to experiences embedded in spacetime.
 
Experimental Insights
 
Recent studies have explored quantum phenomena in biological systems, such as superradiance in tryptophan networks within microtubules. These findings suggest that quantum effects might persist in the brain's "warm and noisy" environment, challenging earlier criticisms of decoherence. Additionally, experiments on anesthetics have shown their potential to disrupt quantum vibrations in microtubules, linking quantum processes to consciousness and memory.
 
Criticism and Challenges
 
The Orch OR theory has faced significant criticism from physicists, neuroscientists, and philosophers. Key objections include:

• The brain's environment being too "warm, wet, and noisy" for sustained quantum coherence.
  
• Lack of empirical evidence supporting quantum processing in microtubules.
  
• Questions about the explanatory power of the theory, with critics like Patricia Churchland dismissing it as speculative.
  

Despite these challenges, Penrose and Hameroff have defended their model, revising peripheral assumptions while maintaining the core hypothesis. They argue that quantum error correction and other mechanisms might mitigate decoherence in microtubules.
 
Implications
 
If validated, Orch OR could provide a groundbreaking explanation for the hard problem of consciousness—how subjective experiences arise from physical processes. It also raises profound questions about free will, decision-making, and the interplay between quantum mechanics and biology. However, further experimental evidence is needed to substantiate its claims."

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[andy06shake]

Let's theorize that telepathy, consciousness and thought may have a foothold in quantum mechanics, therefore also in entanglement. 

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"Orchestrated Objective Reduction Theory (Orch OR)
 The Orchestrated Objective Reduction (Orch OR) theory, proposed by physicist Roger Penrose and anesthesiologist Stuart Hameroff, suggests that consciousness originates at the quantum level within neurons, specifically in cellular structures called microtubules. Unlike conventional theories that attribute consciousness to neural network complexity, Orch OR posits that consciousness arises from non-computable quantum processes.
 Core Concepts
 
The theory integrates quantum mechanics, neuroscience, and molecular biology. It proposes that quantum states in microtubules—tiny structures within neurons—undergo a process called objective reduction (OR). This reduction is influenced by spacetime geometry, as theorized by Penrose's quantum gravity framework. The "orchestration" refers to how proteins, such as microtubule-associated proteins (MAPs), regulate these quantum states.
 
Microtubules are hypothesized to act as quantum processors, with qubits formed by oscillating dipoles. These oscillations, driven by electric or magnetic forces, enable quantum superposition and entanglement. The collapse of these quantum states is theorized to connect non-computational decision-making to experiences embedded in spacetime.
 
Experimental Insights
 
Recent studies have explored quantum phenomena in biological systems, such as superradiance in tryptophan networks within microtubules. These findings suggest that quantum effects might persist in the brain's "warm and noisy" environment, challenging earlier criticisms of decoherence. Additionally, experiments on anesthetics have shown their potential to disrupt quantum vibrations in microtubules, linking quantum processes to consciousness and memory.
 
Criticism and Challenges
 
The Orch OR theory has faced significant criticism from physicists, neuroscientists, and philosophers. Key objections include:

• The brain's environment being too "warm, wet, and noisy" for sustained quantum coherence.
  
• Lack of empirical evidence supporting quantum processing in microtubules.
  
• Questions about the explanatory power of the theory, with critics like Patricia Churchland dismissing it as speculative.
  

Despite these challenges, Penrose and Hameroff have defended their model, revising peripheral assumptions while maintaining the core hypothesis. They argue that quantum error correction and other mechanisms might mitigate decoherence in microtubules.
 
Implications
 
If validated, Orch OR could provide a groundbreaking explanation for the hard problem of consciousness—how subjective experiences arise from physical processes. It also raises profound questions about free will, decision-making, and the interplay between quantum mechanics and biology. However, further experimental evidence is needed to substantiate its claims."

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Possibly, and it that's where that's answer lies, hopefully further study sheds some light on the actual mechanisms involved.

The problem being measuring things at that sort of scale does have somewhat known problems and can provoke specific outcomes.

At a glance, the experiments would seem to hint at possible quantum effects in the brain...

If there are answers to be had, the quantum realm and neuroscience are where they will most likely be found.

I mean if you really want to start bending minds, and since we seem to be on to inner voices. 

This old Mr Siff video springs to mind pertaining to conscientiousness and decisions. 

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Possibly, and it that's where that's answer lies, hopefully further study sheds some light on the actual mechanisms involved.

The problem being measuring things at that sort of scale does have somewhat known problems and can provoke specific outcomes.

At a glance, the experiments would seem to hint at possible quantum effects in the brain...

If there are answers to be had, the quantum realm and neuroscience are where they will most likely be found.

I mean if you really want to start bending minds, and since we seem to be on to inner voices. 

This old Mr Siff video springs to mind pertaining to conscientiousness and decisions. 

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqCCcmNPJTg]

What is that video about that you posted? The killer mind?

[andy06shake]

What is that video about that you posted? The killer mind?

It's more about where our thoughts arise from, and do we have actual free will, skirting around some of the topics being discussed. 

It just poses some really interesting questions about how we think....

Never heard of the CamperKiller Commentaries? 

https://www.youtube.com/@CampKillCommentary

Some of the stuff is rather profound, some not so much. 

[quintessentone]

It's more about where our thoughts arise from, and do we have actual free will, skirting around some of the topics being discussed. 

It just poses some really interesting questions about how we think....

Never heard of the CamperKiller Commentaries? 

https://www.youtube.com/@CampKillCommentary

Some of the stuff is rather profound, some not so much. 

I have not heard of the Camperkiller commentaries, nor do I have much interest in how a killer's mind works especially camper killers. Just lock 'em up forever.

[SurferSoul]

I can't take actions in this thread AlroyFarms.

Because im participating. 

Need to be another mod.

Im pretty thick-skinned anyhoo. 

Just 
Oh crap when did you become a moderator? The world has indeed gone to hell.

btw it’s telomeres you might want to look up and evidence has been brought to the thread such as the telepathy tapes, but you refuse to look/listen.