Is Telepathy real?

[andy06shake]

My problem is? 
You always are the one causing any problems in discussions. Not me. Ask anyone, or take a poll even.

Back to telepathy:
It's fact to hose who are in the know. To those like yourself who haven't experienced it, it's fantasy.

And what I love about this thread is that it can be about conjecture and supposition because it is just a fpuking discussion! It isn't here to provide proof or scientific evidence.

If you wish to do that make your own thread and provide the requirements for the thread.  Like "Proof must be provided or Andy will punish everyone who who does not".  

This particular thread made no such god damned requirements.

It's hardly my fault that some people don't like the facts and physics reality operates along. 

Nor is it my fault that people can't answer the hard questions that surround the topics up for debate.

Neither can I to any sort of satisfactory manner. 

And not your problem per se, but a problem nonetheless, and with the very topics up for discussion. 

But let's stay on topic, shall we?

Your argument would seem to confuse subjective experience with objective truth.

Claiming something is "fact to those in the know" while labeling it "fantasy" to outsiders relies on anecdote, not evidence.

No one can dispute it, because the criteria are purely personal.

Dismissing the need for proof by framing the discussion as casual doesn't make the extraordinary claims any more credible.

Treating personal belief as fact without evidence is logically flawed.

Because experience alone cannot substitute for verifiable proof or rational arguments.

I would like all these theories to carry water as much as the next man, but they don't, as unfortunate as the case may be.

[Bootless]

I'm just going to repost this simple test from page 4 #38

It seems to have been ignored.
 

I was taking some time writing a story....

So, the story is still on my open notepad.

1) What state was the car driven from?
2) What state did it arrive in?
3) How many four-leaf clovers were found?
4) How long did it take to find them?
5) Who received one?
6) Of the two major malfunctions of the car, name one?

Answer two of these correctly and I will concede that telepathy is real.
 

I now realize that telepathy alone may not be how answers are arrived at.

Someone may cheat and use remote viewing, or gaze into a crystal ball, or throw Scrabble tiles, or refrigerator magnets, or use a Ouija board, or summon a demon to spy on my monitor.

Someone may meditate and connect to the omniscience and get the answers.

What if a person now dead was witness to the events in the story? Well then, necromancy may come into play even.

The means of coming up with the right answers are seemingly legion.

[annonentity]

Where do all the souls come from? from every living thing on this Earth, if a monkey soul gets a human body , it might be a few lifetimes before it learns to become human. look around some people are more human than others. Some are more Simian than others. Look around and think about it. 
    At present it appears the biomass has a lot of humans and the so called animal kingdom is shrinking. But I am sure from a human egocentric point of view trying to understand these subtleties is difficult. As far as God force is concerned it is everything and nothing by primarily being a state of mind often hijacked and used as a control system. On one level everything is connected and interwoven, on another survival is an individual's responsibility, but ultimately everyone interprets their reality on a subjective level and not one can be the same , so how can there be one answer ?  look around it is all paranormal paradox already. Where the observer has to make their own sense of it.

[andy06shake]

Where do all the souls come from? from every living thing on this Earth, if a monkey soul gets a human body , it might be a few lifetimes before it learns to become human. look around some people are more human than others. Some are more Simian than others. Look around and think about it. 
    At present it appears the biomass has a lot of humans and the so called animal kingdom is shrinking. But I am sure from a human egocentric point of view trying to understand these subtleties is difficult. As far as God force is concerned it is everything and nothing by primarily being a state of mind often hijacked and used as a control system. On one level everything is connected and interwoven, on another survival is an individual's responsibility, but ultimately everyone interprets their reality on a subjective level and not one can be the same , so how can there be one answer ?  look around it is all paranormal paradox already. Where the observer has to make their own sense of it.

Did you just call some people monkeys?

I'm not even touching that one with a 3-foot pole.

Evolution aside which you seem to be ignoring. 

How are some people more human than others, and which ones pray-tell, and why?

We may not all be equal, but some kind of semblance of equality should always be displayed.

I mean, you're hovering on the border of some sort of eugenics rant, there, buddy. 

A slippery slope, to say the least. 

As to the shrinking animal kingdom?

That's habitat loss, not souls leaving bodies.

"God force" being a mind-control tool, is just abstract thinking dressed as insight.

People experience life differently, but that doesn't mean there's a cosmic recycling of consciousness.

Here is the problem annonentity, life's weirdness, and the human condition don't prove reincarnation.

They just show we're pattern-seeking animals.

Trying to explain stuff we don't fully understand.

[annonentity]

Sorry Andy but have you got something against monkeys? They are a beautiful in touch species who's society and thinking patterns are very like ours.

[andy06shake]

Sorry Andy but have you got something against monkeys? They are a beautiful in touch species who's society and thinking patterns are very like ours.

Hey, the love between a man and his monkey is his own business, and a good Dave Chappelle joke in there somewhere annonentity if memory serves.   

Viewer discretion advised, adult jokes. 




But you just said.

 if a monkey soul gets a human body , it might be a few lifetimes before it learns to become human. look around some people are more human than others. Some are more Simian than others. Look around and think about it. 

I am looking around and thinking about it. 

Which "people" is it look more human, or for that matter more "Simian" than others?

Because that's not a joke, it's a pitiful comparison, walking a pretty fine line imho. 

You do realize that people, no matter what they may look like to you, are not directly descended from monkeys.

We share a distant common ancestor that lived about 25 million years ago, so....

Again, evolution and all that jazz. 

[Bootless]

... if a monkey soul gets a human body , it might be a few lifetimes before it learns to become human. look around some people are more human than others. Some are more Simian than others. Look around and think about it. 

Isn't that a violation of the doctrine of the soul?

The soul is the purported immaterial aspect or essence of a living being. It is typically believed to be immortal and to exist apart from the material world.

If soul is the immaterial aspect, then why in the world would it imbue a human with a material simian aspect?

[annonentity]

Your problem is that most of the above accounts for an anicode as opposed to any sort of actual proof.
 
Telepathy has been studied for over a century, yet controlled experiments consistently fail to show reliable evidence.

Brain activity does involve tiny electromagnetic signals, but they are extremely weak, and chaotic

What people interpret as "telepathy" is often explained by coincidence, subconscious cues, or altered states of mind, down to stress, fatigue, or drug use. 

Personal certainty doesn't equal universal facts.

Just as dreams feel real but aren't objective reality.

Without independent verification, telepathy remains a subjective belief, not a demonstrated phenomenon.

  

  There you have the key  "A subjective belief and not a demonstrated phenomenon"  In someone's belief system who thinks it is baloney it will be, because they would not even attempt it but for anyone who has actuality spent time and effort trying to see if there is anything in it, with other consenting adults , I think you would find a encyclopedia of interesting tales. You might ask what an aboriginal fellow was doing with his arms pressed around a tree, then when asked., The reply was that his wife was already on the road to the supermarket which was a hundred miles away, and he forgot to tell her to pick him up  some such item which wasn't on the grocery list.
 But it is my subjective fact that during some experiments with Cannabis , there seems to be a shared mind space where images are shared between two individuals, and shapes of objects can indeed be manifested. Not only that, the shape and object can appear to manifest in three dimensional space. This would be a minefield especially in the area of hypnosis and suggestibility. I am not saying that it does not require discipline and effort but it certailny does not requie an  internship as a monk in Tibet for many years.

[Sirius]

  

  There you have the key  "A subjective belief and not a demonstrated phenomenon"  In someone's belief system who thinks it is baloney it will be, because they would not even attempt it but for anyone who has actuality spent time and effort trying to see if there is anything in it, with other consenting adults , I think you would find a encyclopedia of interesting tales. You might ask what an aboriginal fellow was doing with his arms pressed around a tree, then when asked., The reply was that his wife was already on the road to the supermarket which was a hundred miles away, and he forgot to tell her to pick him up  some such item which wasn't on the grocery list.
 But it is my subjective fact that during some experiments with Cannabis , there seems to be a shared mind space where images are shared between two individuals, and shapes of objects can indeed be manifested. Not only that, the shape and object can appear to manifest in three dimensional space. This would be a minefield especially in the area of hypnosis and suggestibility. I am not saying that it does not require discipline and effort but it certailny does not requie an  internship as a monk in Tibet for many years.

[andy06shake]

  

  There you have the key  "A subjective belief and not a demonstrated phenomenon"  In someone's belief system who thinks it is baloney it will be, because they would not even attempt it but for anyone who has actuality spent time and effort trying to see if there is anything in it, with other consenting adults , I think you would find a encyclopedia of interesting tales. You might ask what an aboriginal fellow was doing with his arms pressed around a tree, then when asked., The reply was that his wife was already on the road to the supermarket which was a hundred miles away, and he forgot to tell her to pick him up  some such item which wasn't on the grocery list.
 But it is my subjective fact that during some experiments with Cannabis , there seems to be a shared mind space where images are shared between two individuals, and shapes of objects can indeed be manifested. Not only that, the shape and object can appear to manifest in three dimensional space. This would be a minefield especially in the area of hypnosis and suggestibility. I am not saying that it does not require discipline and effort but it certailny does not requie an  internship as a monk in Tibet for many years.

What you're describing sounds more like personal experiences mixed with imagination, and altered perception rather than actual telepathy.

When people use weed, their brains can become somewhat more creative and suggestible, which makes coincidences or guesses feel like "shared thoughts."

The "3D shapes" are most likely hallucinations, not physical manifestations.

Stories like the tree and supermarket are interesting, but anecdotes aren't proof, people often remember the hits and forget the misses.

Real science tests telepathy under controlled conditions, and every time, it fails to show evidence beyond chance or suggestion in a controlled environment.

Tell me this, what part of our brain would be responsible for telepathic ability?

Because if there is one, neuroscience has yet to find or map the area, as far as im aware.