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Is Telepathy real?
#61
(09-04-2025, 08:25 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Which controlled scientific studies consistently produced any sort of reliable, replicable results? 

Extraordinary claims like mind-to-mind communication require extraordinary proof.

And the notion itself of telepathy also would seem to violate a few well-established physical laws.

Like causality and information limits for a start.

Science doesn't ignore unexplained phenomena, it demands evidence that can be repeated and tested.

Again, it's worth keeping an open mind, but some actual proof is desirable.

They say 70% of human communication is non-verbal.

"One of the most pervasive misconceptions is that telepathy has been scientifically proven. While many researchers in psychology and parapsychology have explored the concept, telepathy remains largely unverified by rigorous scientific standards. Most mainstream scientists argue that there is no empirical evidence supporting the existence of telepathic abilities. Numerous experiments designed to test telepathy under controlled conditions have failed to produce consistent results. This does not diminish the intrigue surrounding telepathy but highlights the need for critical thinking when considering claims of mind-to-mind communication."

On the other hand:

"A final misconception is that because there has been no scientific validation for telepathy, it cannot exist at all or lacks credible explanations if it does exist. While mainstream science currently does not support telepathic claims, this does not preclude the possibility that novel discoveries or advancements in our understanding of consciousness could one day elucidate forms of non-verbal communication beyond our current comprehension. Neurology and cognitive science continue to evolve, exploring complex interactions between minds through various means such as mirror neurons and empathy-induced responses.

 Furthermore, some fringe theories attempt to explain telepathy through quantum mechanics or other complex scientific frameworks; however, these theories often lack empirical grounding and remain speculative at best. Nevertheless, ongoing research into consciousness offers potential avenues for understanding phenomena once considered impossible."

7 Common Misconceptions About Telepathy Debunked

If it has to do with the mysteries of consciousness then of course it is all speculative and some of us here are on the fence.
"The only journey is the one within."
#62
(09-04-2025, 08:25 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Which controlled scientific studies consistently produced any sort of reliable, replicable results? 

Look into PianoPraise’s threads on remote viewing, I don’t remember the exact person, might have been Hal Putof or Ingo Swann, that remote viewed the rings/belt around Jupiter before it was scientifically confirmed. There’s lots of info available in the viability of remote viewing, but only you can educate yourself on this. There have also been scientific tests on Psychic abilities that showed results beyond chance. There is lots of info and research backing up telepathy, The Telepathy Tapes is a recent prime example. But I see you’ve already dismissed that evidence out of hand, so what’s the point in spoon feeding it to you? Go look it up.
Quote:Extraordinary claims like mind-to-mind communication require extraordinary proof.

Not that old chestnut, as I’ve said, there is plenty of evidence.
Quote:And the notion itself of telepathy also would seem to violate a few well-established physical laws.
Like causality and information limits for a start.
How so please explain?
Quote:Science doesn't ignore unexplained phenomena, it demands evidence that can be repeated and tested.

There is plenty of unexplained phenomena science doesn’t yet understand, hence the term.
Quote:Again, it's worth keeping an open mind, but some actual proof is desirable.

As I’ve said the proof is out there, the mechanisms aren’t understood. Then again what if the proof has been covered up, what if studies are denied funding? What if it’s top secret and only a need to know basis? What if there are to many variables that can’t be replicated in the lab?
I keep hearing that science can’t explain and doesn’t fully understand what consciousness is, do you deny its existence?
#63
(09-04-2025, 09:07 AM)quintessentone Wrote: They say 70% of human communication is non-verbal.

"One of the most pervasive misconceptions is that telepathy has been scientifically proven. While many researchers in psychology and parapsychology have explored the concept, telepathy remains largely unverified by rigorous scientific standards. Most mainstream scientists argue that there is no empirical evidence supporting the existence of telepathic abilities. Numerous experiments designed to test telepathy under controlled conditions have failed to produce consistent results. This does not diminish the intrigue surrounding telepathy but highlights the need for critical thinking when considering claims of mind-to-mind communication."

On the other hand:

"A final misconception is that because there has been no scientific validation for telepathy, it cannot exist at all or lacks credible explanations if it does exist. While mainstream science currently does not support telepathic claims, this does not preclude the possibility that novel discoveries or advancements in our understanding of consciousness could one day elucidate forms of non-verbal communication beyond our current comprehension. Neurology and cognitive science continue to evolve, exploring complex interactions between minds through various means such as mirror neurons and empathy-induced responses.

 Furthermore, some fringe theories attempt to explain telepathy through quantum mechanics or other complex scientific frameworks; however, these theories often lack empirical grounding and remain speculative at best. Nevertheless, ongoing research into consciousness offers potential avenues for understanding phenomena once considered impossible."

7 Common Misconceptions About Telepathy Debunked

If it has to do with the mysteries of consciousness then of course it is all speculative and some of us here are on the fence.

True, but it's an oversimplification.

70% non-verbal rule isn't universally true.

Context matters for a start.

Like if you're explaining math, then words dominate.

If you're expressing anger, then your posture, and tone, carry more meaning and weight.
 
The fact of the matter is that non-verbal cues, or facial expressions, tone, gestures, pauses, shape how people interpret the words.

But that's body langwage as opposed to telepathy. 

And we learn that probably before we learn to speak.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#64
(09-04-2025, 09:16 AM)andy06shake Wrote: True, but it's an oversimplification.

70% non-verbal rule isn't universally true.

Context matters for a start.

Like if you're explaining math, then words dominate.

If you're expressing anger, then your posture, and tone, carry more meaning and weight.
 
The fact of the matter is that non-verbal cues, or facial expressions, tone, gestures, pauses, shape how people interpret the words.

But that's body langwage as opposed to telepathy. 

And we learn that probably before we learn to speak.

I'm now wondering how much of a part does bodily chemical/hormonal secretions from others and from ourselves play a role in how our brain/gut react.
"The only journey is the one within."
#65
(09-04-2025, 09:31 AM)quintessentone Wrote: I'm now wondering how much of a part does bodily chemical/hormonal secretions from others and from ourselves play a role in how our brain/gut react.

Pheromones are indeed interesting, considering how strongly they affect insects.

But unlike insects, we don't really have a specialised pheromone-detecting organ.

Pun intended, we simply don't have the nose for it.  Saint2

Worth consideration all the same, maybe it's smellethpathy?

Can't see how it could function over any sort of great distance through.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#66
(09-04-2025, 09:13 AM)SurferSoul Wrote: Look into PianoPraise’s threads on remote viewing, I don’t remember the exact person, might have been Hal Putof or Ingo Swann, that remote viewed the rings/belt around Jupiter before it was scientifically confirmed. There’s lots of info available in the viability of remote viewing, but only you can educate yourself on this. There have also been scientific tests on Psychic abilities that showed results beyond chance. There is lots of info and research backing up telepathy, The Telepathy Tapes is a recent prime example. But I see you’ve already dismissed that evidence out of hand, so what’s the point in spoon feeding it to you? Go look it up.

Not that old chestnut, as I’ve said, there is plenty of evidence.
How so please explain?

There is plenty of unexplained phenomena science doesn’t yet understand, hence the term.

As I’ve said the proof is out there, the mechanisms aren’t understood. Then again what if the proof has been covered up, what if studies are denied funding? What if it’s top secret and only a need to know basis? What if there are to many variables that can’t be replicated in the lab?
I keep hearing that science can’t explain and doesn’t fully understand what consciousness is, do you deny its existence?

If you present the proof, i will have a look.

You are perfectly aware of how the burden of proof functions.

The onus is on you to provide evidence to support the claims you make.

And if you could try and make it of the unequivocal sorts that would be appreciated. 
 
The claims that Ingo Swann or others made about remote viewing Jupiter's rings before discovery are anecdotal and poorly documented at best.

Your problem being that controlled experiments in remote viewing and telepathy consistently suffer from methodological flaws, selective reporting, and lack of reproducibility.

And even the studies claiming above-chance results rarely survive statistical scrutiny or independent replication.

As i have said "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" which the cases you are attempting to promote as such simply do not provide.

Mainstream science does not support remote viewing, interesting a subject as it happens to be. 

Else, i'm sure someone will be able to inform me of what i currently have sitting atop the desk to the right of the second monitor? 

Plus, next week's lotto numbers would also be desirable?  Saint2
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#67
(09-04-2025, 09:45 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Pheromones are indeed interesting, considering how strongly they affect insects.

But unlike insects, we don't really have a specialised pheromone-detecting organ.

Pun intended, we simply don't have the nose for it.  Saint2

Worth consideration all the same, maybe it's smellethpathy?

Can't see how it could function over any sort of great distance through.

Detection is not relegated to only smell and supposedly these chemicals/hormones can also cause mental disorders once in the body. 

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"Although there is controversy about whether pheromones and pheromone receptor genes have the same importance or are even active in humans, there are some hints that they might have roles in sociosexual behavior and mental disorders."

Pheromone receptors and their putative ligands: possible role in humans

"Conceptually, such chemicals could be sensed by the olfactory, gustatory, or trigeminal neural systems, or enter the general circulation by way of the vasculature of the nose, sinuses, oral cavity, and lungs (Doty 2008)"

Human Pheromones - Neurobiology of Chemical Communication - NCBI Bookshelf

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What could this mean regarding telepathy, communicating with spiritual entities, remote viewing, ESP, Deja Vu? Well, it could mean nothing, then again it could mean everything or explain everything.
"The only journey is the one within."
#68
(09-04-2025, 10:03 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Detection is not relegated to only smell and supposedly these chemicals/hormones can also cause mental disorders once in the body. 

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"Although there is controversy about whether pheromones and pheromone receptor genes have the same importance or are even active in humans, there are some hints that they might have roles in sociosexual behavior and mental disorders."

Pheromone receptors and their putative ligands: possible role in humans

"Conceptually, such chemicals could be sensed by the olfactory, gustatory, or trigeminal neural systems, or enter the general circulation by way of the vasculature of the nose, sinuses, oral cavity, and lungs (Doty 2008)"

Human Pheromones - Neurobiology of Chemical Communication - NCBI Bookshelf

---------------

What could this mean regarding telepathy, communicating with spiritual entities, remote viewing, ESP, Deja Vu? Well, it could mean nothing, then again it could mean everything or explain everything.

Pheromones are interesting, but as far as im aware, Humans detect pheromones primarily through the olfactory system.

Aka our nose, rather than the "vestigial vomeronasal organ" present in other animals, which is more "pronounced" so to speak. 

Again through how would it work over vast distances?
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#69
(09-04-2025, 10:08 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Again, pheromones are interesting, but as far as im aware, Humans detect pheromones primarily through the olfactory system.

Aka our nose, rather than the "vestigial vomeronasal organ" present in other animals.

Again through how would it work over vast distances?

There is no evidence that it works over vast distances.

"Many people believe that telepathic communication occurs instantaneously across vast distances without any barriers. This misconception is often fueled by depictions in movies and television shows where characters can communicate effortlessly regardless of location. However, real-life human communication—whether verbal or non-verbal—often requires proximity for clarity and effectiveness. Factors such as emotional resonance, shared experiences, and familiarity can enhance communication but are usually limited by physical distance. The romantic notion of long-distance telepathy neglects the complexities of emotional attachment and context that play vital roles in genuine human connection."

7 Common Misconceptions About Telepathy Debunked

If I'm thinking of phoning my mother and she is thinking of phoning me, then we both connect on the phone at the exact moment in time without the ringing, was that telepathy or was that the complexities of emotional attachment? She always tells me "I knew it was you calling me because I was thinking about you." Or does she always think about me?
"The only journey is the one within."
#70
(09-04-2025, 10:12 AM)quintessentone Wrote: There is no evidence that it works over vast distances.

"Many people believe that telepathic communication occurs instantaneously across vast distances without any barriers. This misconception is often fueled by depictions in movies and television shows where characters can communicate effortlessly regardless of location. However, real-life human communication—whether verbal or non-verbal—often requires proximity for clarity and effectiveness. Factors such as emotional resonance, shared experiences, and familiarity can enhance communication but are usually limited by physical distance. The romantic notion of long-distance telepathy neglects the complexities of emotional attachment and context that play vital roles in genuine human connection."

7 Common Misconceptions About Telepathy Debunked

If I'm thinking of phoning my mother and she is thinking of phoning me, then we both connect on the phone at the exact moment in time without the ringing. Was that telepathy or was that the complexities of emotional attachment? She always tells me "I knew it was you calling me because I was thinking about you."

I suggest that to date, there is no real evidence that telepathic communication works at all. 

It's a romantic notion that would seem to require magic imho.

Then again, who was it that said, “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”.

I need to go do some work in the real world now, but as far as i can establish, the jury is still out on telepathy for the most part, and science still says prove it.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."



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