Here's what you do

[David64]

There are some who think letting a minor child make their own decisions about gender is perfectly ok. Never mind that this is a decision that will change every aspect of their lives for decades to come, they think they are perfectly competent to make those kinds of decisions.

Ok...here's what you do.

If you don't have one, borrow a neighbors 15 year old and let them make every major decision for you for the next 6 months. EVERY decision.

Your car is getting old, has already been in the shop twice this year and it's time for a new one ? Take that 15 year old with you. What ? Oh come on, you know you always wanted a Lime Green Supercharged Hellcat.....and they get to drive it home. Huh ? You don't trust a 15 year old with an $80,000 car with 700 horsepower ?  Well..... that's strange.

You got a $1000 bonus from work. You busted your ass and got that project in on time and under budget ! Do you put it in savings, maybe into your retirement account or pay off some of that credit card debt ? Aw hell naw ! You need a new Play Station 5 amirite ?

Speaking of money, if that 15 year old is yours' and you have a college fund, just give it to them and let them decide what to do with it. I mean, college is years away and what you REALLY need is 2 new dirt bikes and a 4 wheeler for when you get bored of that Play Station.

How about something simple ? What's for dinner. Hope you're in the mood for pizza and tacos for the next 6 months. No, you don't need vegetables and a balanced diet and the massive diarrhea will go away in a few weeks. It's all good.

[UltraBudgie]

Did you really just compare buying a PS5 to chopping off your penis?

I know XBox fans are opinionated, but wow.

[BeyondKnowledge]

I find the life changing decisions should not be up to anyone at that age. They can't drive a car, enter a financial contract, or many other things yet a 10 year old or younger can decide on elective surgery and other treatments.

Let them dress up if they want but no body changes.

I find that it is mostly the parents that are making the actual decisions for this. I often wonder why the mothers do not want grandkids.

[andy06shake]

There are some who think letting a minor child make their own decisions about gender is perfectly ok. Never mind that this is a decision that will change every aspect of their lives for decades to come, they think they are perfectly competent to make those kinds of decisions.

Ok...here's what you do.

If you don't have one, borrow a neighbors 15 year old and let them make every major decision for you for the next 6 months. EVERY decision.

Your car is getting old, has already been in the shop twice this year and it's time for a new one ? Take that 15 year old with you. What ? Oh come on, you know you always wanted a Lime Green Supercharged Hellcat.....and they get to drive it home. Huh ? You don't trust a 15 year old with an $80,000 car with 700 horsepower ?  Well..... that's strange.

You got a $1000 bonus from work. You busted your ass and got that project in on time and under budget ! Do you put it in savings, maybe into your retirement account or pay off some of that credit card debt ? Aw hell naw ! You need a new Play Station 5 amirite ?

Speaking of money, if that 15 year old is yours' and you have a college fund, just give it to them and let them decide what to do with it. I mean, college is years away and what you REALLY need is 2 new dirt bikes and a 4 wheeler for when you get bored of that Play Station.

How about something simple ? What's for dinner. Hope you're in the mood for pizza and tacos for the next 6 months. No, you don't need vegetables and a balanced diet and the massive diarrhea will go away in a few weeks. It's all good.

Dont get me started my 18-year-old, who's going into a third year university course this mouth, just asked me if she should butter the worktop to make both sides of bread buttered, whilst making toasties. 

[Oldcarpy2]

Dont get me started my 18-year-old, who's going into a third year university course this mouth, just asked me if she should butter the worktop to make both sides of bread buttered, whilst making toasties. 

Don't worry.  She's probably just "Bi"...

[andy06shake]

Don't worry.  She's probably just "Bi"...

Naw, she apparently went through that phase, she's back to liking just boys now.

She'd better hope one of them is a chef or short-order cook. 

What was the other one, she thought, people from Dublin were called "Dublish", that cracked me up for a few hours. 

[andy06shake]

Did you really just compare buying a PS5 to chopping off your penis?

I know XBox fans are opinionated, but wow.

It would tend to feel that way a bit if indeed they wanted $1000 for one. 

[Waterglass]

There are some who think letting a minor child make their own decisions about gender is perfectly ok. Never mind that this is a decision that will change every aspect of their lives for decades to come, they think they are perfectly competent to make those kinds of decisions.

For those of you who think the system is broken. No. The system is working exactly as intended.

 The system is working exactly as intended. YOU ARE CORRECT 

This seems to be pushed by many 50+ year old women who claim that a three year old knows whether they want to be a girl or boy at three years of age. I heard that from my MS degreed sister in law. Shes a card carrying Democrat  and is worried about "our democracy" under Trump? To hell with the parents? She was fine with our Democracy under Joe Biden especially with our border and all those "refugees". I wonder if she even knows what an MS-13 is.  My bet is that she will think its a virus.  

"Our democracy" ? Maybe for her but not for me. For all of her education in the medical field shes quite shallow on just wassup on the ongoings in the USA.

[David64]

It would tend to feel that way a bit if indeed they wanted $1000 for one. 

https://www.gamestop.com/consoles-hardwa...16188.html

[AnAlternateOpinion]

Yay! Another antagonistic thread about trans people. This place is feeling more like ATS every day. Congratulations!

I will ask this; do people "decide" to be gay or straight or are they just that way? Pardon me for making assumptions here about your sexuality but when did you decide to like girls and how old were you when you knew for sure? Did you wait until you were 15 or 18 to make this life changing decision?

Did you have to experiment with both to know which way the wind blew or were you just the way you are because that's how you turned out?

Going back even further before sexuality even entered the picture, when did you decide you were a boy and that living a boy's life and doing boy things was how you fit into the world of other boys? I'm guessing this wasn't a "decision", happened very early in your life and isn't something you ever really questioned or even remember?

Congratulations again! You're a cisgender heteronormative man and don't have gender dysphoria or aren't transgender. Aren't you glad you decided that's what you wanted to be?

My point here being one's internal sense of being a boy/girl/man/woman is established early in life and for the majority of people is usually solidified and unwavering by the ages of 5 to 7 but that doesn't mean some don't fit the pattern or have different experiences or that some don't question these identities and roles that may take some experimenting to sort out.

So often we talk about programming, conditioning, influencing and steering youth in a certain direction but when it is to indoctrination with religious dogma or to reinforce stereotypical gender roles and behavior, it all gets a pass. If one’s internal sense of their own gender is so absolutely fixed and tied to biology, why do we begin this programming before a child is even born with gender reveal parties, blue and trucks for boys and pink and dolls for girls? Are we afraid more people might question these things without all this conditioning?

Modern youth are questioning these things to rise beyond their programming toward self-actualization without all the BS. That’s why the majority of trans identifying youth fall somewhere in the non-binary category and why they’ve come up with 96 different labels for their gender and large numbers of them don’t even have gender dysphoria in the traditional sense and even fewer of them desire to change their primary sex characteristics through surgery.

There are those, however, for whom there are no uncertainties and several studies with one being quite recent (Stability and Change in Gender Identity and Sexual Orientation Across Childhood and Adolescence) that indicate that cross-gender identified kids are as secure and unwavering in their identities as non-transgender kids.

So to conclude and summarize, some kids know who they are just like you knew who you were with the same degree of certainty that don’t “decide” to be the way they are, they just are. (Most Gender Dysphoria Established by Age 7, Study Finds To them, living a life explicitly tied to their biological sex is as difficult and ridiculous as your life would have been wearing dresses and pigtails and being seen as a girl.

If you had a child that was living a difficult and ridiculous life in such an upside down state and suffering ill effects from it that had been observed insistently, persistently and consistently with this condition over time, I am curious to know what would you do?