Heaven

[andy06shake]

Interesting you say this.  I was once told (and some would consider this "out there") that Lucifer was not evil.  But he had a brother who was jealous, and it was the brother that incited the rebellion against God.  Lucifer was blamed and so in a sense was framed for his crimes.

I have no way of verifying this story but it kind of lines up with your Roman poetry a bit.

Cheers.

My take is Lucifer wanted to be an equal.

And the Kingdom of heaven is a monarchy.

Lucifer originally comes from Latin and meaning "Light Bringer" or "Morning Star".

It was a name for the planet Venus when she appears at dawn.

[LightAngel]

Interesting you say this.  I was once told (and some would consider this "out there") that Lucifer was not evil.  But he had a brother who was jealous, and it was the brother that incited the rebellion against God.  Lucifer was blamed and so in a sense was framed for his crimes.

I have no way of verifying this story but it kind of lines up with your Roman poetry a bit.

Cheers.

I never heard that story. 


Anyway, as I said before, biblical Lucifer and Satan were not originally the same.

Lucifer and Satan began as separate identities - Lucifer the morning star, Satan the adversary. Over time, Christian tradition merged them into one: the Devil.

[LightAngel]

Are you a Christian LightAngel? I'm curious given your name. I hope not.

I am not a Christian, but I have Christian friends that I love, and I would never judge anybody's religion.

People can be good or bad no matter what they believe in, even if they believe in nothing.

I look at people's character most of all.

[Roma]

I never heard that story. 


Anyway, as I said before, biblical Lucifer and Satan were not originally the same.

Lucifer and Satan began as separate identities - Lucifer the morning star, Satan the adversary. Over time, Christian tradition merged them into one: the Devil.

Hopefully I don't get us too off track here.  This is not the first time I've heard of Christian tradition needing a devil.  If you go back to the old Nordic religion there were the Aesir.  One of the most famous is Loki, god of mischief.

Loki was not inherently evil and would help or hinder the gods as he saw fit. Of the good deeds he did was to retrieve Thor's stolen hammer and rescue Freya from the advances of a giant.  On the other hand he was responsible for Baldur's death and lead the giants against the gods in Ragnarok.

As Christianity spread to the Nordic countries the stories of the Aesir were rewritten by a monk.  There was no definitive source of evil and Loki was cast in that part.

[midicon]

I am not a Christian, but I have Christian friends that I love, and I would never judge anybody's religion.

People can be good or bad no matter what they believe in, even if they believe in nothing.

I look at people's character most of all.

I would judge a religion perhaps as some might be harmful but like you I look at people's characters.

I have no friends but I'm glad about that. In real life I am very kind and it is no false thing. This place brings out the worst in me, which isn't so bad really and gives me an opportunity for self reflection I suppose.

I liked your Nietzsche quote that's why I commented here really.

[LightAngel]

I would judge a religion perhaps as some might be harmful but like you I look at people's characters.

I believe in God.

You could say that I am more a spiritual person than a religious one.

What about you?

Do you believe in God?

For me God is a universal force.

[LightAngel]

Edit to remove.

I am curious about what you posted. 

Was it really that bad since you had to remove it? 

Laugh a little midicon, just laugh. 

[midicon]

I am curious about what you posted. 

Was it really that bad since you had to remove it? 

Laugh a little midicon, just laugh. 

Thank you for your curiosity! Yes my post was dreadful, I burned you for the witch you are lol.

I don't believe in God and yet he is my oldest dearest friend.

What is it you do that makes you spiritual?

[LightAngel]

Thank you for your curiosity! Yes my post was dreadful, I burned you for the witch you are lol.

I don't believe in God and yet he is my oldest dearest friend.

What is it you do that makes you spiritual?

So now I am a witch. 

I guess you learn something new every day.

But if it makes you smile to call me a witch then go ahead.

Are you trolling dear medicon? 


You say that you don't believe in God, but he is your oldest and dearest friend, please explain that paradox to me so I won't have to guess.

Anyway, I am spiritual because I believe we all are energy, and that we come from God and we will also go back to God when we are ready. 

I did my best to explain this in a very easy way. 


If you aren't trolling and actually want to discuss the witch burning then I am all ears. 

It was madness what happened during the witch hunts, many innocent people were punished because others believed they were working with the Devil.

[Roma]

So now I am a witch. 

I guess you learn something new every day.

But if it makes you smile to call me a witch then go ahead.

Are you trolling dear medicon? 


You say that you don't believe in God, but he is your oldest and dearest friend, please explain that paradox to me so I won't have to guess.

Anyway, I am spiritual because I believe we all are energy, and that we come from God and we will also go back to God when we are ready. 

I did my best to explain this in a very easy way. 


If you aren't trolling and actually want to discuss the witch burning then I am all ears. 

It was madness what happened during the witch hunts, many innocent people were punished because others believed they were working with the Devil.

Are we saying our dear @LightAngel is a witch?  Is she made of wood, or does she weigh as much as a duck?

On a more serious note, the witch hunts is a subject I never really delved into.  Maybe that deserves another thread.