Platos Myth of ER

[FlyersFan]

The oldest NDE in recorded history .... 2400 years ago Plato wrote 'The Republic'.  In this, he writes a 'myth' of a Greek soldier from Pamphylia named ER.   ER was dead on the battlefield for 12 days.   Then he wakes up while on his funeral fire.  ER tells a story of detaching from his body,  seeing a bright light, a feeling of well being, of judgement of the soul, and then describes the details of reincarnation.   All this before he comes back to his body and to his old life.

If this story of Platos was just a myth, then how did he get it so close to modern day near death experience stories?   It sounds like Plato was recounting some ones real near death experience.   And if so ... how did people 2400 years ago have close encounters with death and yet come back and life to tell about them without the aid of modern medicine?   Lots of good speculation could be had on this.

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With many other souls as his companions, Er had come across an awe-inspiring place with four openings – two into and out of the sky and two into and out of the ground. Judges sat between these openings and ordered the souls which path to follow: the good were guided into the path into the sky, the immoral were directed below. But when Er approached the judges, he was told to remain, listening and observing in order to report his experience to humankind.
Meanwhile from the other opening in the sky, clean souls floated down, recounting beautiful sights and wondrous feelings. Those returning from underground appeared dirty, haggard, and tired, crying in despair when recounting their awful experiences, as each was required to pay a tenfold penalty for all the wicked deeds committed when alive. There were some, however, who could not be released from underground. Murderers, tyrants and other non-political criminals were doomed to remain by the exit of the underground, unable to escape.

 
After seven days in the meadow, the souls and Er were required to travel farther. After four days they reached a place where they could see a shaft of rainbow light brighter than any they had seen before. After another days travel they reached it. This was the Spindle of Necessity. Several women, including Lady Necessity, her daughters, and the Sirens were present. The souls – except for Er – were then organized into rows and were each given a lottery token.
Then, in the order in which their lottery tokens were chosen, each soul was required to come forward to choose his or her next life. Er recalled the first one to choose a new life: a man who had not known the terrors of the underground but had been rewarded in the sky, hastily chose a powerful dictatorship. Upon further inspection he realized that, among other atrocities, he was destined to eat his own children. Er observed that this was often the case of those who had been through the path in the sky, whereas those who had been punished often chose a better life. Many preferred a life different from their previous experience. Animals chose human lives while humans often chose the apparently easier lives of animals.

 
After this, each soul was assigned a guardian spirit to help him or her through their life. They passed under the throne of Lady Necessity, then traveled to the Plane of Oblivion, where the River of Forgetfulness (River Lethe) flowed. Each soul was required to drink some of the water, in varying quantities; again, Er only watched. As they drank, each soul forgot everything. As they lay down at night to sleep each soul was lifted up into the night in various directions for rebirth, completing their journey. Er remembered nothing of the journey back to his body. He opened his eyes to find himself lying on the funeral pyre early in the morning, able to recall his journey through the afterlife.[sup] 

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[Maxmars]

Excellent direction for this discussion!

Frankly, having "been there" it is difficult for me to opine without the risk of internalized thinking.

It does appear that the phenomenon which wasn't really 'distributed' before telecomms and people 'peopling' across the globe... was always there, much like most 'paranormal' recorded now... it is not 'new.'

Near death experiences are nevertheless "purely subjective" and may be speaking to us (metaphorically) in a language we haven't yet mastered.

I used to wonder if the experiences that some shamanic rituals evoke aren't all one or another manner of NDE.
Chemically stimulating the brain can produce such results... bu then most never die from the experience, so how could it be considered an NDE?

Great idea for discussion...

In my own experience, I can only say... 
I recall feeling fear as it dissapated...
I knew that "had been afraid, but no more."

I'll say no more... y'all know me... I could write for days....

[FlyersFan]

I'll say no more... y'all know me... I could write for days....

We have one week until shut down.
(plus a week grace period after that perhaps).
So that's 1-2 weeks .... 
Go ahead .. write for days.
It's a great topic.