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(12-15-2025, 03:37 PM)andy06shake Wrote: More Kremlin talking points.


No.  I’m talking actual proven strategy and tactics.  Where the Ukraine if it wants its land back is going to need more man power to recapture and hold land.  You only take land by going on the offensive.  Right now, Russia is taking increasing amounts of land because they are on a steady offensive.  What is going to change for the Ukraine to get them out of defense to an offensive posture where they actually can capture and hold lost territory.
(12-15-2025, 03:41 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Arms dealers?

The US is charging Europe for it's weapons for Ukraine.

So, if your Country was invaded, would you bend over and take it, or not?

It's a yes or no question.

I covered that in a post.

Then asked if you would defend the UK if it ment WW 3.

While you ignore that surrender might be a moot point like it was for Germany, France, Japan in WW II.

Added.  I never wanted this from the US off the backs of the Ukrainian people.

Quote:Biden wants people to know most of the money he’s seeking for Ukraine would be spent in the US
(12-15-2025, 03:48 PM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: I covered that in a post.

Then asked if you would defend the UK if it ment WW 3.

While you ignore that surrender might be a moot point like it was for Germany, France, Japan in WW II.



Brits didn't surrender in WW2.  Despite being up against it.

WW3 will be a bit different.  M.A.D....

Are you a cheese eating surrender monkey?
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope.  Nothing...
(12-15-2025, 03:52 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Brits didn't surrender in WW2.  Despite being up against it.

WW3 will be a bit different.  M.A.D....

Are you a cheese eating surrender monkey?


Because you had allies that bolstered your manpower and help open up new fronts.  And helped with massive amounts of supplies.


Added.  And didn’t have to send children and old men into combat to supply the front lines. 
again.

The elephant in the room.

 talking actual proven strategy and tactics.  Where the Ukraine if it wants its land back is going to need more man power to recapture and hold land.  You only take land by going on the offensive.  Right now, Russia is taking increasing amounts of land because they are on a steady offensive.  What is going to change for the Ukraine to get them out of defense to an offensive posture where they actually can capture and hold lost territory.
(12-15-2025, 03:54 PM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: Because you had allies that bolstered your manpower and help open up new fronts.  And helped with massive amounts of supplies.


Added.  And didn’t have to send children and old men into combat to supply the front lines. 
again.

The elephant in the room.

 talking actual proven strategy and tactics.  Where the Ukraine if it wants its land back is going to need more man power to recapture and hold land.  You only take land by going on the offensive.  Right now, Russia is taking increasing amounts of land because they are on a steady offensive.  What is going to change for the Ukraine to get them out of defense to an offensive posture where they actually can capture and hold lost territory.


Keep drinking the Kremlin Kool Ade......
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope.  Nothing...
(12-15-2025, 03:52 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Brits didn't surrender in WW2.  Despite being up against it.

WW3 will be a bit different.  M.A.D....

Are you a cheese eating surrender monkey?



I asked you a question.  Would you defend the UK if it ment WW 3.  But Europe was happy to buy cheap energy off an ex KGB agent.  And many nations keep selling arms to Ukraine where money flows as long as the war drags on lining pockets with no regard if the Ukraine collapses or not.
(12-15-2025, 03:52 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Are you a cheese eating surrender monkey?

Lol   You guys say that over there too?
Here it means ... the French.   Lol
(12-15-2025, 03:57 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Keep drinking the Kremlin Kool Ade......


Asking the very real question if the Ukraine can’t work out a deal to keep what they have, then what realistic strategy with what manpower is going to get their land back without the collapse of the Ukrainian.
(12-15-2025, 03:41 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: So, if your Country was invaded, would you bend over and take it, or not?

It's a yes or no question.

If you manage to get anysort of straight answer, I'll be rather surprised.

He can't answer for very obvious reasons.

And it's laughable.   Saint2
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
(12-15-2025, 04:01 PM)andy06shake Wrote: If you manage to get anysort of straight answer, I'll be rather surprised.

He can't answer for very obvious reasons.

And it's laughable.   Saint2



I have given honest answers.

Where you ignore that the Ukraine has a real manpower shortage.  Where there is no clear strategy to get their land back if they don’t work out a deal to keep what they have.  Where they risk very real collapse like Germany, France, Japan in WW 2 where surrender was more of a moot point.



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