Has Ukraine collapsed

[WallFlowerActive]

But again, that would most likely equate to escalation that leads to a third world war. 

It's a sticky wicket if ever there was one, and Putin understands that fact just fine.

Still doesn’t answer how the Ukraine is going to get back and hold their territories it lost.

Seems like you are the one wiling to appease Putin.

[Oldcarpy2]

Unfortunately the Ukraine is living off other peoples shipments to them.  With the Ukraine bleeding manpower.  It’s a matter of what “allies” are willing to give teeth too.  If you think it’s about WW 3, then is it worth risking WW 3 and have allies act like actual allies.

Jeez.... Russia is living off of NK  shells, soldiers and Iranian drones etc.

No one wants WW3, except you and the likes of Mad Medvedev etc.

I'm afraid I can't take your pro Russian propaganda seriously.

[WallFlowerActive]

Jeez.... Russia is living off of NK  shells, soldiers and Iranian drones etc.

No one wants WW3, except you and the likes of Mad Medvedev etc.

I'm afraid I can't take your pro Russian propaganda seriously.

Is that how Russia is steadily gaining grain in the Ukraine like a cancer week to week?  Against weapons from the west.  

You talking about defending you country to the bitter end, but don’t want to put teeth in real Ukraine negotiations.  Seems like your irk are the ones appeasing Putin.

[WallFlowerActive]

I'm afraid I can't take your pro Russian propaganda seriously.

Expecting allies to act like allies. Added.  And not use car salesmen of weapon systems.  Stating the obvious.  You don’t want the Ukraine to give up land.  But don’t have a real strategy for the Ukraine to get back and hold land.  Then make the claims of WW 3 when pointing out the Allies of the Ukraine need to back and put real treaty behind the Ukrainian/ Russia negotiations.

lol. Are you for real.

[Oldcarpy2]

Is that how Russia is steadily gaining grain in the Ukraine like a cancer week to week?  Against weapons from the west.  

You talking about defending you country to the bitter end, but don’t want to put teeth in real Ukraine negotiations.  Seems like your irk are the ones appeasing Putin.

Is English not your native language?

I don't want an escalation to WW3.

Thanks very much.

[Oldcarpy2]

Expecting allies to act like allies. Added.  And not use car salesmen of weapon systems.  Stating the obvious.  You don’t want the Ukraine to give up land.  But don’t have a real strategy for the Ukrane to get back and hold land.  Then make the claims of WW 3 when pointing out the Allies of the Ukraine need to back and put real treaty behind the Ukrainian/ Russia negotiations.

lol. Are you for real.

I don't think they can take back the land that Russia has gained.  I think they should give that up, just not land that they haven't managed to gain.

But I'm tired of your straw man Kremlin propaganda.

[WallFlowerActive]

Is English not your native language?

I don't want an escalation to WW3.

Thanks very much.

Just typo happy to drive you crazy.

Europe.  Yeah.  We will buy cheap energy from an ex KGB agent.

Europe.  Yeah.  We will defend our country to the point surrender becomes a moot point like when we fire bombed Germany in WW II.  Ukraine should do the same.  

Europe and the world, yeah Ukraine.  We’ll supply you weapons until you get your lands back.

Europe and the world watch as the Ukraine loses territory to Russia who is 

“Jeez.... Russia is living off of NK  shells, soldiers and Iranian drones etc.
”

While the Ukraine bleeds manpower.

The Ukraine, how we get our land back.  Buy more weapons from the west.

The Ukraine, we can’t keep up this unsustainable loss of people.  Will you have our backs to negotiate to keep what we have.  The world, not really.  Don’t want to risk WW 3.

The Ukraine really never had a real chance.  Just fed empty dreams by weapons dealers with countries never being real allies to put real bite in negotiations.

[WallFlowerActive]

But I'm tired of your straw man Kremlin propaganda.

Asking the hard questions and pointing out if the world doesn’t put real bite and make a real stand against Putin then they are the ones that are appeasing Putin.

[Oldcarpy2]

Just typo happy to drive you crazy.

Europe.  Yeah.  We will buy cheap energy from an ex KGB agent.

Europe.  Yeah.  We will defend our country to the point surrender becomes a moot point like when we fire bombed Germany in WW II.  Ukraine should do the same.  

Europe and the world, yeah Ukraine.  We’ll supply you weapons until you get your lands back.

Europe and the world watch as the Ukraine loses territory to Russia who is 

“Jeez.... Russia is living off of NK  shells, soldiers and Iranian drones etc.
”

While the Ukraine bleeds manpower.

The Ukraine, how we get our land back.  Buy more weapons from the west.

The Ukraine, we can’t keep up this unsustainable loss of people.  Will you have our backs to negotiate to keep what we have.  The world, not really.  Don’t want to risk WW 3.

The Ukraine really never had a real chance.  Just fed empty dreams by weapons dealers with countries never being real allies to put real bite in negotiations.

I think I will leave you to your pro Kremlin nonsense.

I remember you from ATS.

Not in a good way.

[WallFlowerActive]

I think I will leave you to your pro Kremlin nonsense.

I remember you from ATS.

Not in a good way.

The Ukraine can only do so much.

You a little bitter for me pointing out if the world doesn’t back the Ukraine and put real bite and support in an Ukraine deal with Russia, it’s actually the world appeasing Putin.

lol, pointing out the obvious on how to not appease Putin makes me pro Kremlin.