Faerie UFO Connection.

[IgnorantGod]

Those similarities tend to indicate that the content of the 'little red wagon' matters not.

One aspect that really intrigued me while discussing UFO/Fae connections on ATS was the necessity to grant permission to the phenomena for one to 'materialize' even if only for a select 'few'. Furthermore, the notion of limits seems to play a significant role during an 'encounter'. Such as, when 'house' becomes 'home', do permissions need to be granted to 'roam around' someone's territory?

Because there's a feedback loop between one's body and environment. An individual shapes an house, and the house shapes him/her. At some point during the process, 'house' becomes 'home', and the boundary between an individual and his/her environment (house) becomes somewhat blurry. I'd infer that 'home' is part of the 'self' boundaries, and thus would need permissions to be granted for the phenomena to 'transgress' the limits (the 'self' territory).

The term 'Trickster' may refer to parts of the phenomena that use some tactics in order to 'trick' someone into giving it their permissions, granting them access to parts of their 'self', or its entirety.

Great thread! 

[Karl12]

One aspect that really intrigued me while discussing UFO/Fae connections on ATS was the necessity to grant permission to the phenomena for one to 'materialize' even if only for a select 'few'.

Furthermore, the notion of limits seems to play a significant role during an 'encounter'. Such as, when 'house' becomes 'home', do permissions need to be granted to 'roam around' someone's territory?

Appreciate the post mate - haven't come across too many accounts regarding 'permission' (they seem to just do what they want) but if one factors in MIB lore then there is an apparent 'consent' narrative on the threshold of properties.

Quite a number of bizarre accounts of these characters seeking invitation and suppose that's got lots of historical provenance with other freaky folklore - Keel wrote about certain analogues in 'The Eighth Tower' and there are a few academic works out there (like this one).

Redfern also discusses some of the weirder factors in this book and brings up the aspect of 'energy vampires' (I certainly know a few people like that lol).

Even more bizarre – and certainly disturbing – are those cases in which people confronted by the MIB sometimes feel as if the dark-suited things are draining them of their self-will, and of nothing less than their life-force. We’re talking about vampires of the energy-sucking kind. And, of course, the pale skin and cadaverous appearances of the MIB are very apt when it comes to the issue of vampires. More than a few eyewitnesses to the Men in Black have told me they felt dizzy, very weak, clammy, and light-headed in their presence. Not unlike the situation that can occur when the blood-sugar of a diabetic plummets.

Then there’s the matter of not just the MIB but of their cars, too. Typically, they are of an old 1950s style, very often a black Cadillac. But the apparent age of the cars is not the strangest thing about them. I have many cases on file where the cars of the Men in Black vanished into oblivion. We’re talking about fading away, dematerializing, or becoming invisible: take your pick. In these particular cases, it’s almost as if the unfortunate souls confronted by the MIB have been plunged into some weird, altered state. Something akin to The Matrix scenario, in which reality as we perceive it is not actually as it is. In that sense, the cars may never really have existed – at least, not in the way we interpret the word “existed.”

Finally, we come to the most important issue of all. Although the Men in Black are most famous for issuing veiled – and, sometimes, not so veiled – threats, they rarely ever follow through on those threats. In fact, there are good indications that the entire experience is an ingenious and intricate ruse or game. It’s something akin to a stage-play, a bizarre piece of theater played out for the “benefit” of the witness. For some odd and unclear reason, the MIB are carefully following a precise script, one they rarely deviate from. Weirder still, the performers in this odd charade – the Men in Black, of course – barely seem self-aware. Maybe that’s because they’re not.

Whether supernatural and manipulative “Tricksters,” something of a near-unfathomable paranormal nature, alien-human hybrids, versions of the “Agents” from The Matrix, or something else, I don’t know.

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Forgot to add Rev Robert Kirk's 'Secret Commonwealth' to the E-Book links on the first page and there are some curious Fae attributes listed in this article about the book - the author also goes on to speculate about faeries transforming into 'high-tech aliens' and the modern day motifs seem pretty apparent.

Steve Stockton also recounts a very strange sixteenth century Fae story here (from 14:20) where a young woman was approached by 'men in green' and abducted to a 'castle in the sky' so looks like the 'little green men' archetype was alive and kicking even back then.

[Karl12]

Also reckon this article deserves a post as it does contain some interesting links.

Shamans, Faeries, Aliens and DMT.

• "The modern, global belief in flying saucers and their occupants is identical to an earlier belief in the fairy-faith. The entities described as the pilots of the craft are indistinguishable from the elves, sylphs and lutins of the Middle Ages. Through the observations of unidentified flying objects, we are concerned with an agency our ancestors knew well and regarded with terror: we are prying into the affairs of the Secret Commonwealth."

Dr. Jacques Fabrice Vallée.

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Never saw eye to eye much with Norio but always saw this quote as quite a perceptive one.

• "The UFO phenomenon appears to me as a temporary, paraphysical intrusion into our physical dimension by an unknown intelligence or unknown sentient entities, paraphysically materializing themselves to a “pre-selected” observer (or a group of observers) and presenting to the observer as a physical extraterrestrial phenomenon and visitation."

Norio Hayakawa.

[IgnorantGod]

If anything, I'd surmise that one of the key factor to the phenomena would be the 'blurring of boundaries of the self'. In the chapter on shamanism in the book "The Trickster and the Paranormal", George P. Hansen mentions about shamans taking substances for a voyage, and their wife would take part of the trip simply by sitting next to them, without taking anything.

Then again, it seems 'high strangeness' follow a ritualesque pattern. I'm kinda wondering which one came first, rituals or the phenomena?

As for 'permissions', I did discuss such with experiencers. However, I never had an 'encounter' as far as I can remember, so I can't reliably assume a mechanism behind it. From what I understand, there seems to be an underlying intent behind the phenomena to trigger fear and/or sexual arousement. Hormones released by either can pass the blood brain barrier. I've also read on ATS that 'the serpent rising' in kundalini is essentially about manually rising one of those two hormones up to the brain.

[Karl12]

If anything, I'd surmise that one of the key factor to the phenomena would be the 'blurring of boundaries of the self'. In the chapter on shamanism in the book "The Trickster and the Paranormal", George P. Hansen mentions about shamans taking substances for a voyage, and their wife would take part of the trip simply by sitting next to them, without taking anything.

Fascinating stuff mate and dipped into that book ages ago but have forgotten most of it - did see this interview with George and found it relevant how he's describing 'trickster' combinations of opposites (Seelie/Underlie), supra normal powers, 'boundary crossing' etc.

Then again, it seems 'high strangeness' follow a ritualesque pattern. I'm kinda wondering which one came first, rituals or the phenomena?

Fair question and did come across this case in which the ritual similarities are listed underneath.

Have to say I'm not that well versed in all things shamanic but do intend to read up on it.



• Case:

The following abduction occurred at Bebedouro, Minas Gerais, Brazil, in the afternoon of 4 May, 1969. 24-year-old José Antonio da Silva, an enlisted soldier, was fishing on a lagoon when suddenly he heard voices, became aware of figures moving behind him, and felt a burst of light strike his leg. He dropped his fishing rod and fell to his knees.

Two beings, about four feet tall, wearing aluminum like suits and what appeared to be helmets, seized him and dragged him to an object sitting on a dirt road. The object was shaped like an upright cylinder and had black platforms at each end. The soldier was taken inside, where the beings put one of their 'helmets' on him...

• Initiation parallels

Jacques Vallee points out the striking parallels between the man's experience and initiation ordeals.

Initiation rituals are characterized by the following general scenes: the candidate is confronted by members of the occult group wearing a special costume; he is blindfolded; he is led by the arm along a rough and difficult route; he is taken into a specially designed chamber with no windows; he is brought into the presence of a 'master'; he is given a test and made to answer questions; he is shown a variety of symbols designed to remind him of death; the situation suggests he may not survive the ordeal; he is given ritual food or drink; he is blindfolded again and led outside. All these elements are present in the case of Antonio da Silva.

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[IgnorantGod]

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Well, I'm not that well versed on shamanism myself, except the tidbit I've read here and there. As for rituals, it is not limited to initiation rituals, rather it is that the phenomena seems to use a similar 'structure' as a 'rite of passage'.

Arnold Van Gennep and what he called the 'liminal' during a rite of passage seems to allow the 'blurring of the boundaries of the self' in a somewhat 'controlled' way. As Victor Turner thought, it looks like a Play. And to me, it could be considered a 'granting of permissions'.

George P. Hansen assumed mythological characters such as Hermes to be archetypal 'Tricksters', because they could 'travel' between the divine and the mortal realms, and they were mostly seen as neither fully 'Divine' nor fully 'Mortal', but something in between the two states.

[Karl12]

Yes mate, I don't pretend to know what's going on with UFO encounters but do find it really intriguing when all these global.patterns tend to pop up.

As mentioned in the first post Fae were well known for 'healing' and did see that researcher Preston Dennet had compiled over 300 UFO cases describing the same thing.

Vallee also looked into this bizarre French UFO healing case from the sixties and there does look to be other Fae attributes involved.

Having said that a lot of these global reports don't sound very pleasant for the folks involved and weird 'post encounter' witness aspects like electrical systems going haywire or beloved pets being frightened of them are also documented.

There's a really strange one here from Kentucky in 1976 which (like that Argentinian shaman case) also involved separately located UFO witnesses around the same time.

[IgnorantGod]

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As mentioned in the first post Fae were well known for 'healing' and did see that researcher Preston Dennet had compiled over 300 UFO cases describing the same thing.

Vallee also looked into this bizarre French UFO healing case from the sixties and there does look to be other Fae attributes involved.

Having said that a lot of these global reports don't sound very pleasant for the folks involved and weird 'post encounter' witness aspects like electrical systems going haywire or beloved pets being frightened of them are also documented.

There's a really strange one here from Kentucky in 1976 which (like that Argentinian shaman case) also involved separately located UFO witnesses around the same time.

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If the phenomena is triggered by some 'physically unconventional entities', I'd expect it to be somewhat like most 'living' entity, that is to survive, or sustain 'existence'. Hence, why I think an 'encounter' can be 'beneficial', 'detrimental' or both. Just like the difference between a symbiote and a parasite.

Now, that's another interesting aspect. Some 'encounter' did leave environmental evidence. There's probably no 'one-size fit all' solution. However, I believe that 'reality' and the 'self' is part of a feedback loop in which both try to meet the expectation of the other. It may be that in a liminal context, reality becomes as 'malleable' as consciousness gets. I see this as somewhat like when one wakes up from a dream with a feeling or a sensation still lingering after the fact (which was 'illusory' so to speak, being in a dream).

And that brings another interesting question ; Is there a difference between the dream state and the liminal state?

[Karl12]

Truly interesting post mate and yes lots of physiological effects on the (sometimes multiple) witnesses but plenty of UFO physical trace cases and aspects like radar visual confirmation, animal reaction and EM effects to indicate the 'actuality' of the objects.

Many environmental evidence trace cases are discussed below and the first encounter could have been taken straight out of ye olde faerie literature.


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Original 'nuts and bolts guy' Ted Phillips had a bit of a conversion over the years and explains in this (great) interview how he came to realise something far more bizarre and incredibly strange was going on - he also discusses poltergeist activity after UFO encounters.

Do like exploring all options and recently re-watched this vid where the unconventional physicality of the phenomenon is explored along with the liminal and extra dimensionality aspect (poltergeist UFO cases are also brought up).



From 4:30

[Karl12]

Keeping with liminal spaces then 'thick, strange mists' and 'bizarre fogs' are also heavily connected with Fae encounters and they were sometimes said to live in 'houses made of rolling mists'.

Probably needs a thread of its own but loads of UFO encounters in various different file collections also involve 'thick, strange mists' and 'bizarre fogs'.



From 19:40







Seemingly sentient globes of light (or 'orbs') are also a major aspect of modern UFO reports and sometimes pop up in cryptid and poltergeist cases.

Looks like they were also seeing them hundreds of years ago as according to Fae lore bright spheres of light were known as 'Devas' and small circles of pure light were called 'Limniades'

Purple floating aerial blobs were known as 'Dracs' and did find that interesting as John Keel reported seeing flying, purple, luminous objects in Point Pleasant during the Mothman flap.