Faerie UFO Connection.

[Karl12]

Interesting one from Wisconsin in 1961 involving farmer Joe Simonton, UFO occupants and some pancakes.

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Joe Simonton encountered three otherworldly beings in the spring of 1961; an event that would play out almost identically to certain tales of faeries told across human culture and throughout history.

Had Simonton known what the result of this event would be that late morning on his chicken farm in Eagle River, Wisconsin, he likely would have simply locked his door, drawn the shades, and been done with the whole ordeal. The following is Simonton’s story, according to an excerpt from Jacque Vallee’s Passport to Magonia,

This odd encounter has been catalogued alongside many other “high strangeness” cases in the annals of ufology; although, upon careful reflection, incidents such as Simonton’s have much more in common with the faerie stories of our ancestors than what one would expect from interstellar visitors.

Faerie Food For Thought

Obviously lots (and lots) of similar traditions from many different countries involving 'little folk' living underground and there are some excerpts from several different Mexican reports below involving 'Chaneques'.

Mexico is pretty lively for faerie folklore and as well as the Chaneques it looks like they're also dealing with the Aluxes, the
Zips, the Cucui and the Jimaninos.

The name CHANEQUE is indigenous to the state of Veracruz, having been used for centuries by the native peoples, the Totonacs, of this area to designate the 'tiny men' (HOMBRECITOS) who live in the mountainous regions of the state. The first Europeans to disembark on the Veracruz coast, were told of the existence of these gnomes by the Totonacs in the early 16th Century. The Totonacs did not indicate the CHANEQUES were mythical creatures but rather talked of them as through they were diminutive flesh and bone beings with extraordinary powers...


" The CHANEQUES are always watching and they love to amuse themselves playing with our children. Although they never harm our youngsters or steal them, they entice them away to play and sometimes we don't see our boys and girls for hours or even days.. Although he'd been missing for some time, he was in perfect health, NOT hungry OR thirsty or the least bit unhappy. Ramiro is talkative in his childish way and quickly advised us he was lost near a 'big water' (river) when five little men found him. They had given him 'sweet food' and milk, then he had gone to sleep. "When asked where he had been he replied, 'Living with the little men. They gave me food and milk with honey in it. But suddenly, as he neared the village of Cintalapa he was startled to see five diminutive figures standing with hands in the air ahead of his truck. His description of the physical aspect of these 'gnomes' coincides with HUNDREDS of other eyewitness accounts related over the years as to size, light brown complexion, black hair, and the ability to appear suddenly before the viewers' eyes, as through they had come from another dimension. Second, on May 21 three ranchers reported having seen a large illuminated disc flying very low over this area.'

CHANEQUES: MEXICAN GNOMES OR INTERPLANETARY VISITORS?

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In Faerie lore the giving then taking back of 'gifts' is also a thing and that aspect pops up in quite a number of UFO occupant cases - it's also been noted by a few different researchers that when it comes to the behaviour of 'UFOnauts' it really does look like they're putting on some kind of contrived 'display' (wanting to be seen collecting samples, fixing their vehicles etc..) and there's one of many possible examples described here.

When it comes to outright 'abduction' it seems there are quite a few other shared characteristics between UFO and Faerie lore including being taken to a brightly lit rooms with no obvious source of light; encountering one taller individual with smaller assistants; having an obsession with human reproduction and family lineage (cannot reproduce/need humans) and even scoop marks left on the body afterwards (faerie pinches).

Also found it a bit freaky that Fae were sometimes reported to have a luminous appearance; be telepathic; have the ability to cause or heal sickness; absorb food through the skin; become invisible and walk through walls (as that's also been reported with 'aliens').

Ye olde folks also described being paralysed or 'fairy stroked' by small strange beings holding 'wands' and suppose that's comparable to modern day encounters where UFO occupants use handheld devices to paralyze people - there are a number of modern day examples and here's one (from 20:00) which was investigated by the French government.

I wish I could meet them again, but this time I'm all there.

[Karl12]

I wish I could meet them again, but this time I'm all there.

Hi mate thought this was a pretty great interview with Josh Cutchin - he certainly knows his stuff about abduction analogues and also brings up some lesser known Fae etymology for modern day lingo.

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We were very excited to finally have Joshua Cutchin rejoin us to discuss his new book "Thieves in the Night: A Brief History of Supernatural Child Abductions" We go into detail with Josh on Fairy lore and how it relates to the fairies stealing children and replacing them with Changelings. We also look into some of the more scientific explanations for the phenomenon and whether they match up with the lore. We also compare the fairy child abductions with abductions by aliens and even Bigfoot.

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Hi mate thought this was a pretty great interview with Josh Cutchin - he certainly knows his stuff about abduction analogues and also brings up some lesser known Fae etymology for modern day lingo.




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Thanks, I saved it for later. it's a long one and I am sure it will be informative.

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• Apologies for the long read but this is an updated ATS thread with lots of fixed links.



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The idea of a UFO connection to 'ye olde Faerie lore' has been floating around for quite a while now and for folks interested in (or actively researching) 'high strangeness' UFO occupant cases then there does appear to be quite a number of similar aspects in reported appearance and behaviour which are explored below.

Probably best to forget the modern day Tinkerbell propaganda - the pantheon of earth elementals is found in a great many tribes around the world and when it comes to 'Faeries' they were often described as rather old, wizened, diminutive creatures with big heads and large magical eyes - also as rather dark, sinister entities (or mischievous tricksters) who reside in an unseen realm but have occasional interaction with humans.

Having said that there are also a great many different sizes and shapes reported (just like UFO occupants) and they were thought to live deep underground 'in darkened hollows, in mounds that opened up into vast, cavernous, winding regions'.. so did find the cryptoterrestrial hypothesis (CTH) connection an interesting one.

Also lots of historical tales of folks being 'dazzled and entranced' by Faerie lights and Fae travelling on 'clouds' (or in luminous globes) which lift and 'carry people across the sky' - the Faeries were also known for collecting water (just like UFOs) and there are a great many encounters involving completely bizarre time anomalies like the Oz factor, time slips, time dilation, missing time etc.

Also lost count over the years of how many global reports I've read about UFOs chasing and interfering with motor vehicles (link) so also found it curious that, back in the day, Faeries were 'notorious for harassing travellers along highways'.

Very interesting topic.

It makes me wonder if/how they could be related to fallen angels.

[Karl12]

Very interesting topic.

It makes me wonder if/how they could be related to fallen angels.

It really is mate.

Whilst not really following religious scripture myself I'm certainly aware of how much I don't know.. but have come across the 'Nephilim' school of thought relating to Sasquatch and there's no shortage of bizarre reported aspects there.

Have also read about many shared Fae characteristics with the Arabic Jinn although the same common traits do pop up in ancient lore from Persia, Mesopotamia, China etc. - some relevant commentary below from 15:20.


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It's stated in ye olde literature that Faeries 'can assume whatever form they wish, especially to deceive or manipulate people' so maybe that at least does address the modern day question about 'why all the many different UFO and occupant descriptions?'.

Keel's Ultraterrestrial theory also describes 'temporary manifestations originating from a non human source which coexist with earth operating from a different dimensional framework or energy state' so guess if that's true then all bets are off and anything goes.

Also think Keel was truly onto something regarding 'window areas' and their specific 'flaps' (whether it be cryptids, UFOs or poltergeists) and reckon this picture is quite an important one.



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[Karl12]

Forgot to add the phenomenon of being 'pixie led' to the main thread and Steve Ward describes the compulsion below (this also pops up a lot in modern day UFO, cryptid and Missing411 accounts).

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There are startling similarities between Celtic folktales and modern UFO narratives. Steve Ward talks to us about the correlations between folklore and the paranormal in the Walter Evans-Wentz book: The Fairy-Faith in Celtic Countries. Walters interviewed people in Ireland about their experiences with the fairies, little people, and the elementals. (Not benign little Tinkerbells that did good deeds for people. The fairies were feared and they could also be beneficial.) Are UFO occupants and fairies one and the same?

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In Faerie lore the giving then taking back of 'gifts' is also a thing and that aspect pops up in quite a number of UFO occupant cases - it's also been noted by a few different researchers that when it comes to the behaviour of 'UFOnauts' it really does look like they're putting on some kind of contrived 'display' (wanting to be seen collecting samples, fixing their vehicles etc..) and there's one of many possible examples described here.

When it comes to outright 'abduction' it seems there are quite a few other shared characteristics between UFO and Faerie lore including being taken to a brightly lit rooms with no obvious source of light; encountering one taller individual with smaller assistants; having an obsession with human reproduction and family lineage (cannot reproduce/need humans) and even scoop marks left on the body afterwards (faerie pinches).

Also found it a bit freaky that Fae were sometimes reported to have a luminous appearance; be telepathic; have the ability to cause or heal sickness; absorb food through the skin; become invisible and walk through walls (as that's also been reported with 'aliens').

Ye olde folks also described being paralysed or 'fairy stroked' by small strange beings holding 'wands' and suppose that's comparable to modern day encounters where UFO occupants use handheld devices to paralyze people - there are a number of modern day examples and here's one (from 20:00) which was investigated by the French government.

Great thread - Happy Christmas belated to everyone.
4 days in a row of relaxing eating and drinking for me now back to basics. that's DI.

I will add a really great book on this subject, is The Landing Lights of Magonia by Nigel Graddon.
He also ties things in like Celtic gods and godesses, ley lines, and Earth Energies, and how they tie to human states of consciousness.

As one US Army General who underwent a 7 plus hour briefing on the 'phenomenon' said, it's all about consciousness, and nothing about 'extra terrestrials' 

I think Graddon's stance is largely that it is Gaia/Maia/the Earth communicating to us.

[Karl12]

Good to see you mate and thanks for the book recommendation - hadn't heard of that one.

Did see the late great Dave Perkins bring up his Gaia theory towards the end of this 'mute' interview and it's certainly food for thought.

Altered states of consciousness (and time distortions) really do seem to play a huge role in all these shenanigans and always thought this was a corker of an article from Tim Swartz.

As Time Goes By

Not to go off the deep end too much but when it comes to manipulating conscious perception have been reading about Faerie 'Glamour' which is used to masquerade delicious looking food (which usually turns out just to be detritus like twigs and grass) - people given objects such as gold coins often later discover to have just been given stones lol.

Fascinating stuff.

[ReturnofBroccoli]

I'd probably attempt to eat it