Digital ID cards again in the UK

[putnam6]

Quite a lot of burglaries and home invasions happen in certain ethnic communities here in the UK.

Because they are known to keep money in the house.

As opposed to traditionally in the bank. 

And also down to the fact that they are a lot less likely to report it to the Police.

If they are unwilling to report it to HMRC.

Yes, we have the same, but it's not just immigrant communities, it's embedded throughout most demographics and lower to mid financial levels too. 

Hell, a healthy percentage in all economic levels loves to flash thier cash, and they are depositing that in banks any time soon.  

It's not as prevalent as it used to be, but most retailers I know offer some cash discount, especially on high-ticket items.

Having exclusive digital transactions only will stifle some local economies down to the neighborhood and street level.

Mom and Pop liquor stores by the thousands make bank, cashing checks, and they usually take a hefty cut; the customer is grabbing a bottle or two.

[andy06shake]

Yes, we have the same, but it's not just immigrant communities, it's embedded throughout most demographics and lower to mid financial levels too. 

Hell, a healthy percentage in all economic levels loves to flash thier cash, and they are depositing that in banks any time soon.  

It's not as prevalent as it used to be, but most retailers I know offer some cash discount, especially on high-ticket items.

Having exclusive digital transactions only will stifle some local economies down to the neighborhood and street level.

People will always find a way putnam6.

If they were to ban cash money.

They would most likely go back to using the likes of gold and silver.

Regarding ""off the book"" transactions.

[DBCowboy]

In the news recently the government are going to introduce digital ID cards again, their reason this time is to combat illegal immigration. previously they tried to introduce them back in the 90’s under the Blair government, but because of massive public backlash the scheme was scrapped. 

So I’m reaching out to this community asking why? What’s the big obsession with these? 
I mean these days it’s a different world to the 90’s we already have “smart” phones with their biometrics and the rest, digital passports and driving licences. NI numbers to work legally. So what’s the big deal and push for digital ID cards? Obviously they aren’t going to combat illegal immigration as the illegals work, well illegally, that’s if they aren’t already in the system being “processed” while living in hotels and such indefinitely.

I don’t get it, why are they so obsessed with this scheme? Who benefits really? 

Oh and the head of the company who will be rolling these out is non other than Tony Blair’s son. Hmm. 

So come on deny my ignorance on this matter, what’s the real deal going on here.

Ummmm, securing the border seems like a good way to combat illegal immigration.

Just sayin'

Also, deportation of the rape gangs.

[Oldcarpy2]

Ummmm, securing the border seems like a good way to combat illegal immigration.

Just sayin'

Also, deportation of the rape gangs.

But, where to?

[quintessentone]

Quite a lot of burglaries and home invasions happen in certain ethnic communities here in the UK.

Because they are known to keep money in the house.

As opposed to traditionally in the bank. 

And also down to the fact that they are a lot less likely to report it to the Police.

If they are unwilling to report it to HMRC.

Supposedly these are the reasons why burglaries are not reported to the Police.

"Burglaries in the UK are often not reported for several reasons:

• Low Detection Rates: Police have failed to solve a single burglary in nearly half of all neighborhoods in England and Wales over the past three years, indicating that many burglaries go unreported. 
  
  
  
• Decriminalization Concerns: There are fears that burglary has been effectively decriminalized in some areas, leading to a perception that reporting such crimes may not lead to significant outcomes. 
  
  
  
• Public Confidence: Victims often face a postcode lottery regarding how thoroughly police investigate crimes, which can deter them from reporting incidents. 
  
  
  
• Stress and Fear: The fear of burglary can make individuals hesitant to report incidents, as they may fear repercussions or not see a resolution. 
  
  
  These factors contribute to the challenges in reporting burglaries and the overall low detection rates in the UK."
  

[quintessentone]

I don’t get it, why are they so obsessed with this scheme? Who benefits really? 

Oh and the head of the company who will be rolling these out is non other than Tony Blair’s son. Hmm. 

So come on deny my ignorance on this matter, what’s the real deal going on here.

I'm wondering if the startup infrastructure costs will offset the existing manpower/infrastructure costs.

"Between £140 million and £400 million
The UK government's digital ID system, known as the 'Brit Card', is expected to have a cost of between £140 million and £400 million. This estimate is based on the anticipated costs of setting up the system and its ongoing operational expenses. The government aims to roll out the digital ID system before the end of the current Labour government, with the intention of making it mandatory for UK citizens and legal residents. The rollout is part of a broader strategy to modernize identity verification and combat illegal immigration"

UK price tag on digital ID system - Search

Money saved after implementation:

"Combining the analysis on costs, benefits and timing, we estimate a digital ID would cover its setup costs within three years of becoming fully operational. From that point on, the benefits from a digital ID (approximately £2 billion per year excluding potential debt interest saved) would continue to outstrip the running costs of the scheme (£100 million per year) helping to improve the UK’s public finances. If this fiscal space were used to pay down the national debt, the fiscal gains from reduced debt interest would grow further over time – equivalent to a net benefit of £2 billion per year by the end of this parliamentary term and £2.5 billion by the end of the next (Figure 6)"

Tony_Blair_Institute_for_Global_Change__The_Economic_Case_for_a_UK_Digital_ID__July_2024.pdf

So from the looks of it, automation and AI(?) will replace jobs and infrastructure costs. This is the way of the future.

[DBCowboy]

But, where to?

Back to whence they came.

[andy06shake]

Supposedly these are the reasons why burglaries are not reported to the Police.

"Burglaries in the UK are often not reported for several reasons:

• Low Detection Rates: Police have failed to solve a single burglary in nearly half of all neighborhoods in England and Wales over the past three years, indicating that many burglaries go unreported. 
  
  
  
• Decriminalization Concerns: There are fears that burglary has been effectively decriminalized in some areas, leading to a perception that reporting such crimes may not lead to significant outcomes. 
  
  
  
• Public Confidence: Victims often face a postcode lottery regarding how thoroughly police investigate crimes, which can deter them from reporting incidents. 
  
  
  
• Stress and Fear: The fear of burglary can make individuals hesitant to report incidents, as they may fear repercussions or not see a resolution. 
  
  
  These factors contribute to the challenges in reporting burglaries and the overall low detection rates in the UK."
  

Put it this way.

You are lucky if the Police forensic people turn up the same day.

And if they manage to track down any stolen property, that would be surprising. 

It's not decriminalised through, that's just nonsense.

[Oldcarpy2]

Back to whence they came.

England?

[DBCowboy]

England?

Hell, send them to the US.

We'll put them in jail.