Digital ID cards again in the UK

[tellmethesecrets]

We have passports, driving licences, national insurance numbers and an NHS number - can't work without proof of right to work in the UK so illegal workers won't be affected at all by not having an govt ID.

Using the migrants as an excuse is ridiculous because they're either on hand-outs or working illegally.

The NHS number is a joke, all over the hospitals are signs saying NHS number must be provided, or proof of healthcare insurance (assuming for migrants or visitors) but as far as I know, this is never checked and everyone just gets the healthcare required putting a huge strain on the NHS. 

Not to mention all the digital tracking we have within our phones and home tech.

I genuinely don't understand what this govt ID will achieve that we don't already have.

[Maxmars]

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I genuinely don't understand what this govt ID will achieve that we don't already have.

If you will indulge an American's input on that question, which I also shared and thought about.

Our technology, cables, servers, infrastructure, etc, is not "the government's" to simply "absorb" into oit's own use... I suspect yours is the same.

In order to effective make a comprehensive data repository "VIRTUAL OBJECT" you cant simply 'steal' that which some investor paid for, and is paying taxes for.

Government's like ours virtue signal all the time "we don't do that." (uh huh.)

They need to create/become/control the whole shebang...
(hence "government"... you know.... "Here to help!")

Digital ID audit trail constraints can exists officially outside the agencies of government... otherwise it's "public" data.... can't have that.

Is it about control over the citizens, leading to new forms of coercion? I couldn't know.
Could it be... unfortunately... yes.

"Controlling the masses" is a kind of obsession in some powerful cloisters...

Maybe they think themselves shepherds... 
Too bad I don't 'do' submission to conformity.

[annonentity]

Yes and your drivers license was for life unless you were an idiot. Now they are charging to renew it I wonder who profits on that scam.?

[Penpusher]

I don't think you are seeing the big picture here. This is just one step towards their 2030 plan. The abolition of cash and introduction of state sponsored digital money is their goal and digital ID's  are required before they can do this. Imigration is the deception, that's why its not making sense.

[andy06shake]

In the news recently the government are going to introduce digital ID cards again, their reason this time is to combat illegal immigration. previously they tried to introduce them back in the 90’s under the Blair government, but because of massive public backlash the scheme was scrapped. 

So I’m reaching out to this community asking why? What’s the big obsession with these? 
I mean these days it’s a different world to the 90’s we already have “smart” phones with their biometrics and the rest, digital passports and driving licences. NI numbers to work legally. So what’s the big deal and push for digital ID cards? Obviously they aren’t going to combat illegal immigration as the illegals work, well illegally, that’s if they aren’t already in the system being “processed” while living in hotels and such indefinitely.

I don’t get it, why are they so obsessed with this scheme? Who benefits really? 

Oh and the head of the company who will be rolling these out is non other than Tony Blair’s son. Hmm. 

So come on deny my ignorance on this matter, what’s the real deal going on here.

Gammon and the avid roundabout painters will love the idea of the government being able to track their movement and ""employment"" habits. 

I really don't see any sort of bill proposing digital ID passing the House of Lords.

I certainly hope not.

[andy06shake]

I don't think you are seeing the big picture here. This is just one step towards their 2030 plan. The abolition of cash and introduction of state sponsored digital money is their goal and digital ID's  are required before they can do this. Imigration is the deception, that's why its not making sense.

There will always be the need for some form of cash in nations that have a grey and black markets.

Unless they wish to pay the backroom backhanders in bitcoin. 

[UltraBudgie]

There will always be the need for some form of cash in nations that have a grey and black markets.

Unless they wish to pay the backroom backhanders in bitcoin. 

Be more creative — that's what poker rooms are for. Get a credit card cash advance, sit down at a table with a "random" stranger, and unfortunately lose £1000 to them. Or ebay: list that worthless jumble sale crap for £500 and be surprised when a "random" stranger actually buys it! There's really no other explanation other than money laundering why those places still exist as the size of businesses they are.

[andy06shake]

Be more creative — that's what poker rooms are for. Get a credit card cash advance, sit down at a table with a "random" stranger, and unfortunately lose £1000 to them. Or ebay: list that worthless jumble sale crap for £500 and be surprised when a "random" stranger actually buys it! There's really no other explanation other than money laundering why those places still exist as the size of businesses they are.

Have you never seen a load of fruit shops, that don't sell fruit?

What about four Turkish Barber shops on one street? 

Nail Salons that are never open. 

There is money laundering going on all over the place regarding business fronts.

[putnam6]

Have you never seen a load of fruit shops, that don't sell fruit?

What about four Turkish Barber shops on one street? 

Nail Salons that are never open. 

There is money laundering going on all over the place regarding business fronts.

100% 

In life, laundering finds a way... as does the legitimate use of cash only, especially in immigrant communities.

FWIW I dont know if the Brits finance thier immigrants as well as Uncle Sam has in the past, but if they are political terraforming, it's one reason they givethem cash and debit cards, getting them used to the idea of using banks aka ID,s regardless, the migrant  population will likely be the last to adhere to a digital ID

[andy06shake]

100% 

In life, laundering finds a way... as does the legitimate use of cash only, especially in immigrant communities.

Quite a lot of burglaries and home invasions happen in certain ethnic communities here in the UK.

Because they are known to keep money in the house.

As opposed to traditionally in the bank. 

And also down to the fact that they are a lot less likely to report it to the Police.

If they are unwilling to report it to HMRC.